Another Boomin850 Problem

[T-5Bandit]

That piece of paper would get thrown out in a heartbeat if legal actions were taken.

Actually you are wrong. In California, that piece of paper is all Mike (Boomin) actually needs to win a legal case. This would be a small claims case and nothing more, so no lawyers. All this crap about about a Navy attorney means nothing, as the most they can do is write Mike a legal threat letter on Baker's behalf.

Sorry Baker, would need harder proof to win in a small claims case and overtum the liability waiver.

1. You need more than just a dealership diagnosing the motor bad. What did they do to diagnose the motor is bad? The dealer quoting you a repair price means nothing. I don't know any So Cal dealership that would work on a custom built motor, just for the fact they would not be able to warranty the work. Like Pras suggested, you need to take it to an indy to have them check it out completely and get a true diagnosis with numbers to back it. I do know Mike drove his car with that motor without any of the oil leaks you have described, so it sounds like more of issue related to the install.

2. Regardless of what Mike rushed and did or did not do right in the install, you had your own obligation to protect your investment. You knew both installs were plagued with issues, you knew Mike rushed the second install, you knew Mike didn't completely test drive the car before you picked it up, you knew the coolant wasn't right, and you KNEW Mike or anyone else working on the work were essentially "backyard mechanics". You should have taken it easy and the FIRST thing you should have done is taken the car to an indy to double check the work and make any incomplete work right. Instead of protecting the investment, you knowingly drove the car with poor coolant and, based on your previous post, possibly overheating it. So now, you have hurt any standing you had as to showing whether or not the motor was in FACT bad when getting it.

3. I have read nothing that shows any proof Mike damaged your transmission or that the transmission was already bad or going bad. What I have continually read is that you had a transmission problem back east, your mechanic back east fixed a problem with it, and now you are across the country (not sure if you drove it from Maryland to Cali) with the car. Sounds like you also drive your car pretty hard, so you can't be close minded to not consider the transmission may have been on it's way out.

With all issues surrounding this transaction, it's too hard to filter through all the crap to know where things went wrong. Mike should be here defending himself. However, had you taken the steps to protect yourself from the moment you got the car back - you would have either resolved the mechanical issues and had a great car, or had factual evidence to go after Mike to prove he sold you a bad motor.

[Alboguy]

cmon mrmattson end this discussion and stop licking your friends ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD mike. the damage is done and money was spent.

good luck to you in the future. and as they say. you gonna hang out with people same as you in this case liers.

also treat others as you wanna be treated ;)

[Che'_Moderator]

Exhibit d5 California is cracked.

[T-5Bandit]

Exhibit d5 California is cracked.

Completely agree. However, most small claims courts in each state have similar guidelines around burden of proof.

All this crap around here lately also shows that the only person looking out for the buyer's money/investment is the buyer. If someone is buying something from another member, especially a high cost item, they need to take steps to protect themselves and make sure they are getting what they assumed they were gettting. Also, for the love of God people - when buying high cost items and paying with PayPal, use a CREDIT CARD and not your bank account. At least then you have an effective way to dispute the charges if wronged, and won't need to rely on PayPal's shitty dispute process.

[Boost_Junky]

Actually you are wrong. In California, that piece of paper is all Mike (Boomin) actually needs to win a legal case. This would be a small claims case and nothing more, so no lawyers. All this crap about about a Navy attorney means nothing, as the most they can do is write Mike a legal threat letter on Baker's behalf.

Sorry Baker, would need harder proof to win in a small claims case and overtum the liability waiver.

1. You need more than just a dealership diagnosing the motor bad. What did they do to diagnose the motor is bad? The dealer quoting you a repair price means nothing. I don't know any So Cal dealership that would work on a custom built motor, just for the fact they would not be able to warranty the work. Like Pras suggested, you need to take it to an indy to have them check it out completely and get a true diagnosis with numbers to back it. I do know Mike drove his car with that motor without any of the oil leaks you have described, so it sounds like more of issue related to the install.

2. Regardless of what Mike rushed and did or did not do right in the install, you had your own obligation to protect your investment. You knew both installs were plagued with issues, you knew Mike rushed the second install, you knew Mike didn't completely test drive the car before you picked it up, you knew the coolant wasn't right, and you KNEW Mike or anyone else working on the work were essentially "backyard mechanics". You should have taken it easy and the FIRST thing you should have done is taken the car to an indy to double check the work and make any incomplete work right. Instead of protecting the investment, you knowingly drove the car with poor coolant and, based on your previous post, possibly overheating it. So now, you have hurt any standing you had as to showing whether or not the motor was in FACT bad when getting it.

3. I have read nothing that shows any proof Mike damaged your transmission or that the transmission was already bad or going bad. What I have continually read is that you had a transmission problem back east, your mechanic back east fixed a problem with it, and now you are across the country (not sure if you drove it from Maryland to Cali) with the car. Sounds like you also drive your car pretty hard, so you can't be close minded to not consider the transmission may have been on it's way out.

With all issues surrounding this transaction, it's too hard to filter through all the crap to know where things went wrong. Mike should be here defending himself. However, had you taken the steps to protect yourself from the moment you got the car back - you would have either resolved the mechanical issues and had a great car, or had factual evidence to go after Mike to prove he sold you a bad motor.

What does any of this have to do with selling an engine that was not right before the install? There are ways to see if cylinder clearance is good or not after an overheat condition. Overheating also doesn't change the type of gasket material used to seal the engine. It's like when someone catches a car on fire and is still amazed that there is evidence left after the blaze.

The waiver only applies to the install. It does not relieve Boomin of his part in selling a bunk engine that leaked oil everywhere.

Your arguing the price of tea in China and we are talking bad product. The install is not the point here, although anyone can see it was horrible.

Boomin was still responsible for providing an install, one that was believed to be professional by Mbaker. Baker signing the waiver doesn't help, I agree. But it also lends to the fact that Boomin thought there need to be a waiver, which implies guilt and doesn't help the case of the bunk engine.

Small claims is up to 5k. After all the research and testing and parts to fix, this is no longer a small claims deal. Baker has a hell of a case IMO. Add Brendan’s case and somebody looking at a lot of restitution.

[T-5Bandit]

What does any of this have to do with selling an engine that was not right before the install? There are ways to see if cylinder clearance is good or not after an overheat condition. Overheating also doesn't change the type of gasket material used to seal the engine. It's like when someone catches a car on fire and is still amazed that there is evidence left after the blaze.

The waiver only applies to the install. It does not relieve Boomin of his part in selling a bunk engine that leaked oil everywhere.

Your arguing the price of tea in China and we are talking bad product. The install is not the point here, although anyone can see it was horrible.

Boomin was still responsible for providing an install, one that was believed to be professional by Mbaker. Baker signing the waiver doesn't help, I agree. But it also lends to the fact that Boomin thought there need to be a waiver, which implies guilt and doesn't help the case of the bunk engine.

Small claims is up to 5k. After all the research and testing and parts to fix, this is no longer a small claims deal. Baker has a hell of a case IMO. Add Brendan’s case and somebody looking at a lot of restitution.

Ok no problem, maybe I missed something....show me where he has proven the motor is bad. All I saw he has done is taken the car to a dealership and got a quote. Sorry, a dealership diagnosis and estimate means and proves nothing. He needs an indy, someone who would actually make the repairs, to diagnose the motor and document the findings.

Baker is an idiot if he assumed the install provided by Mike was going to be "professional". Mike is not a certified mechanic, nor is one by profession. The motor was being installed in the driveway of Mike's house along with several other VSers, including Baker.

[cheapwagon]

can I get in on this too? I would really like to get the hardware from the gauge I bought.

[Oreo931]

Baker is an idiot if he assumed the install provided by Mike was going to be "professional". Mike isn't not a certified mechanic, nor is one by profession. The motor was being installed in the driveway of Mike's house along with several other VSers, including Baker.

Having coolant leaks, oil leaks, and a motor that isnt even sitting on the rear motor mount is FAR from professional.

I agree to some extent about the professionalism. I had issues after I installed my second engine. They were small, and I fixed them. But it was nothing as bad as what Mike forgot about on Bakers car.

[matt b]

can I get in on this too? I would really like to get the hardware from the gauge I bought.

Just shoot me a PM with your addy and I'll drop some hardware in the mail for you. I found some last night while cleaning up an area and can send them free.

[cheapwagon]

PM sent. This thread actually accomplished something. Hey Boomin if you ever come back you owe matt b atleast a beer. Thanks

[prasamin]

PM sent. This thread actually accomplished something. Hey Boomin if you ever come back you owe matt b atleast a beer. Thanks

you're compaining about 2 nuts and a plastic bracket! come on man! if you're using a pod, you don't need any of that....that's why it's called "pressure fit".....get over it!

[prasamin]

What does any of this have to do with selling an engine that was not right before the install? There are ways to see if cylinder clearance is good or not after an overheat condition. Overheating also doesn't change the type of gasket material used to seal the engine. It's like when someone catches a car on fire and is still amazed that there is evidence left after the blaze.

The waiver only applies to the install. It does not relieve Boomin of his part in selling a bunk engine that leaked oil everywhere.

Your arguing the price of tea in China and we are talking bad product. The install is not the point here, although anyone can see it was horrible.

Boomin was still responsible for providing an install, one that was believed to be professional by Mbaker. Baker signing the waiver doesn't help, I agree. But it also lends to the fact that Boomin thought there need to be a waiver, which implies guilt and doesn't help the case of the bunk engine.

Small claims is up to 5k. After all the research and testing and parts to fix, this is no longer a small claims deal. Baker has a hell of a case IMO. Add Brendan’s case and somebody looking at a lot of restitution.

to be a little more accurate, the overheating was because of a relay not working, so that's not an issue here....the issue here is the oil leaking...the mount and other things are small things, and when you're rushed, sometimes you neglect these small things.....

i really need Baker to get the car checked by an indy mechanic, or a couple for that matter...it will be worth his time and money to know for sure what is wrong....heck, even if something is wrong, and he can't get it fixed, it will still add some credibility to selling the car, thus getting a bit more money for it, because you can tell the buyer exactly what the issue is, and even show him/her estimates of repair, and that you took it to a well known, trustworthy mechanic who works on Volvo's all day. Baker, I'll keep you updated on my Volvo guys....i really want to help you here, cuz it's a shame for so much work and money to go down the drain and just selling the car blindly.

[Guest 300+_T5R_855]

Bottom line is the car shouldn't have been delivered if it wasn't ready, regardless of the need for the vehicle. Other arrangements should have been made to avoid damaging the vehicle and reputation.

[prasamin]

Bottom line is the car shouldn't have been delivered if it wasn't ready, regardless of the need for the vehicle. Other arrangements should have been made to avoid damaging the vehicle and reputation.

if you're working on a car, and the owner demands it back, you give it back, finished or not, and you make him sign a waiver that you're not liable for anything that happens, since the owner demanded the car back.....again, not picking sides, just playing antagonist....i mean, it's the owner's car....you give it back if they demand it back whether you're finished or not.

[Boost_Junky]

if you're working on a car, and the owner demands it back, you give it back, finished or not, and you make him sign a waiver that you're not liable for anything that happens, since the owner demanded the car back.....again, not picking sides, just playing antagonist....i mean, it's the owner's car....you give it back if they demand it back whether you're finished or not.

I agree. The install waiver does lend to that. However, it also makes the bad engine case worse.

Baker needs to get some real testing done. Pras the offers you had for help are stand up too.