The Real Obama

[khax]

well put mr. boost junky.

[Pops Racer]

Your drinking the liberal Koolaid, Boosty. We have been heading towards socialism for decades. Redistribution of wealth thru taxation , government social engineering, govt entitlements, the protection of unions, destruction of the military and intelligence capabilities, govt funded abortion, I can go on if you wish. Giving tax "rebates" to those who pay no taxes? What is Medicare and Medicaid? We don't reward people for success, we punish them. The welfare state has destroyed the American family structure by replacing the father with govt handouts. Take a look at the illegitemacy rates vs dcrime and poverty. By the way, conservatives donate more dollars per income dollars to worthy causes by a good margin than liberals. Liberals are the ones who wish to stifle free speech. Any one who disagrees is a racist or unsympathetic. You can't even have a conservative speak on a college campus without them being silenced or shouted down by a bunch of liberal students (see Anne Colter at Uconn). Rich to liberal is a family of 4 that brings in $100k. Eat me. I'm not scared, I'm concerned about the decline of my countries moral and cultural direction. The '60's radicals are now the lawyers and politicians. Most of these liberal theories have been proven over time to not work, they go against human nature. Abortion is a neccesity because of a lack of self control. The woman could always say no, and the man could keep it in his pants. 35 million dead and counting. SO if my party is done, that makes us a one party system? sounds like an oligarchy or dictator ship tome. See Zimbabwe. If you call me a Nazi again, asshole I will surely find a way to meet you. If you want personal attacks, bone head, man up and come up to CT. I'll show you a grumpy old man with more rounds under his belt and a bad temper then you ever met. I don't know where you get your quotes from, but I suggest you talk to your friends and neighbors in FLA and see what kind of reaction you get. Maybe an ass whippin from a good ole boy. If you want to debate, no problem , but if you compare me to Hitler and his like you cross the line, fuckhead. My family came from the Polish/Ukraine border, My father's side is Jewish, and I've got family buried or burned in concentration camps. I'll give you my address, asshat, so pm me if you want to come up for a visit. I put 15 years into the US Army, and know full well about politics and war. You should review your history little boy, and get your facts straight. Cling to that ship Khax, you'll go down also.

[Pops Racer]

I'm retracting my anger. I will not be baited into lowering my civility by a moron. I am banning myself from this forum in the best interest of my dignity. I hope the level of discourse here won't remain in the gutter. For me to offer up retaliation as a solution to this counter point is childish and futile. Smacking a hockey helmet wearing socialist around is unfair and in poor taste. Sorry for your condition, boostjunky, maybe the state can offer you some rehab or medical care if you can't afford your own.

[Boost_Junky]

Your drinking the liberal Koolaid, Boosty. We have been heading towards socialism for decades. Redistribution of wealth thru taxation , government social engineering, govt entitlements, the protection of unions, destruction of the military and intelligence capabilities, govt funded abortion, I can go on if you wish. Giving tax "rebates" to those who pay no taxes? What is Medicare and Medicaid? We don't reward people for success, we punish them. The welfare state has destroyed the American family structure by replacing the father with govt handouts. Take a look at the illegitemacy rates vs dcrime and poverty. By the way, conservatives donate more dollars per income dollars to worthy causes by a good margin than liberals. Liberals are the ones who wish to stifle free speech. Any one who disagrees is a racist or unsympathetic. You can't even have a conservative speak on a college campus without them being silenced or shouted down by a bunch of liberal students (see Anne Colter at Uconn). Rich to liberal is a family of 4 that brings in $100k. Eat me. I'm not scared, I'm concerned about the decline of my countries moral and cultural direction. The '60's radicals are now the lawyers and politicians. Most of these liberal theories have been proven over time to not work, they go against human nature. Abortion is a neccesity because of a lack of self control. The woman could always say no, and the man could keep it in his pants. 35 million dead and counting. SO if my party is done, that makes us a one party system? sounds like an oligarchy or dictator ship tome. See Zimbabwe. If you call me a Nazi again, asshole I will surely find a way to meet you. If you want personal attacks, bone head, man up and come up to CT. I'll show you a grumpy old man with more rounds under his belt and a bad temper then you ever met. I don't know where you get your quotes from, but I suggest you talk to your friends and neighbors in FLA and see what kind of reaction you get. Maybe an ass whippin from a good ole boy. If you want to debate, no problem , but if you compare me to Hitler and his like you cross the line, fuckhead. My family came from the Polish/Ukraine border, My father's side is Jewish, and I've got family buried or burned in concentration camps. I'll give you my address, asshat, so pm me if you want to come up for a visit. I put 15 years into the US Army, and know full well about politics and war. You should review your history little boy, and get your facts straight. Cling to that ship Khax, you'll go down also.

Wow, that was a spirited response. These are my views after being VERY well informed on both sides of the fence. This was not a personal attack against you. When I say conserva-nazi I am speaking of most conservative radio personalities that use bully tactics to rally support from people such as yourself.

Your anger has really taken the validity of your argument away. How can I take your word when you think/write in such a manner?

You will shoot me and beat me up for being liberal. Is that what this has resorted to?

[Boost_Junky]

I'm retracting my anger. I will not be baited into lowering my civility by a moron. I am banning myself from this forum in the best interest of my dignity. I hope the level of discourse here won't remain in the gutter. For me to offer up retaliation as a solution to this counter point is childish and futile. Smacking a hockey helmet wearing socialist around is unfair and in poor taste. Sorry for your condition, boostjunky, maybe the state can offer you some rehab or medical care if you can't afford your own.

You do have a sense of humor at least. I however, like most people am not looking for a hand out. I have never had a hand out. My position is one for people and their well being. Things are not so black or white. Just becasue someone gets help does not mean we will give the whole wealth of America to everyone. Just becasue we want someone to have affordable healthcare does not mean it will be free. We can spend 1 billion a month on a war but can't feed the starving or get medicine to people here in our own country.

We are not looking to give away the house. This is not redistributing wealth either. That is drinking the koolaid as you say. We are looking to improve life for Americans. I am for that.

[khax]

i will continue to hold onto that ship, cletus. nothing anyone will ever say will convince me that the war in iraq and a lot of other BS going on right now is justified. i am not going to argue politics because i don't spend the same amount of time and energy reading up on them as others. however, i have read and witnessed enough things to make an educated statement on where i stand.

[gdizzle]

No, correction, the actual Obama.

Republicans are running scared.

Is it me or are they very scared right now? Anything that they can think of is being thrown around.

-“Obama’s affiliation with the his church means he HATES white people.” Republican spin has it like Obama said the things the reverend did. Am I accountable for everything somebody else says because I associate with them? In that case I must be a KKK member like Dave! (LOL)

Obama admits in his own auto biography that whilst searching for his identity as a "black" man (not a black/white man) in America at a young age, he was heavily influenced by radicals of the black anti-colonialist movement of the 50's and 60's. These guys were all about down with

whitey

and of the thought that they had to put on their white face over the black skin to survive in a "white" society. These are not good people to be associated with, the fact that he spent 20 years under the tutilage of a blatant racist should be alarming, and the fact that you don't find it alarming is in its self, ALARMING. Obama also admits in his autobiography that he sympathizes with Malcom X's desires to expunge himself of his

white devil blood

. So why would someone who doesn't hate white people have such a desire to rid themselves of their association with the white race? What has the white race done to him? His WHITE grandparents slaved away at their jobs so that Barry could get a top education at the Punahou school in Hawaii, a school that's tuition is about 70k today. Yet, after all they did for him, Barrack felt the need to throw his white devil grandparents under the buss due to a single conflict his grandmother had with a black street peddler when he was in high school. Sounds like a great guy. You really should do some research on your candidate of choice, not just get your news from MTV.

-“Obama is Muslim.” Another racially motivated smear made up by the republicans. He’s Muslim but we are supposed to hate him for the anti-white Christian church he goes to. Which is republican liar? Which is it?

Obama being a muslim is a moot point. What is important is the fact that on his own website he claims that he has never been a muslim, never read the koran, never prayed to alah, etc. This is 100% FALSE. Barack used to go to prayer meetings with his muslim step father Lolo Soetoro. That doesn't mean he prayed there, but... He admits in HIS OWN autobiography that he was disciplined while in school for making faces during the reading of the Koran. Hmm. Barry, I mean Barack, admits also that he attended a muslim school in indonesia for 2 years, and a catholic school for additional two years before moving to Hawaii to live with his dirty white grandparents. His school teachers and principals recall Barack reciting prayers in class that are resevered only for those "true believers" of Alah.

So why lie about never reading the koran, or praying to alah? He sure is good at lying.

-“Obama snuffed the troops during his visit to the middle east.” Another spin the republicans made up. Obama followed the advice of his security advisors. Which didn’t allow him to interact as much with people in non-secure zones. Any dumb a$$ would understand that. He is a target people. Look at all the republican racist cross hairs on him already, and that’s in the USA.

big deal. It goes both ways.

-“Obama wants to bankrupt the USA by giving health care away for free.” Another republican lie. Obama wants to make health care affordable. Not free. Where is the word “free” in affordable? They said Clinton was going to bankrupt the USA too, and we ended up with a surplus. Unless you make over 250k a year, you’re not rich enough to be voting for a "republican get the rich richer canadate."

How do you think he's going to make it "more affordable?" Use your brain.

-“The democrats want to make the county a communism.” This is another republican bully term used to try smear the democrats. Your futile thoughts are transparent republicans, you’re scared and out of actual good ideas.

Yeah, we're all out of good ideas, so lets give all of our hard earned money away to the poor and lazy, raise the crap out of taxes, and F over everyone that worked hard to become what they are. Great idea, where do I sign up? Oh that's right, I click the box for Obama in Novemeber. No thanks.

-“Calling Obama our savior or messiah." This is a very backhanded attempt by the conserva-nazi’s to subconsciously impress the ideal that Obama thinks he God. This was spawned by the scared thoughts that he will win by a landslide. It also has roots in the anti-christ is coming theory. All of this is trying to scare people from voting for the “big scary God like black man who doesn’t like his country and wants to give your money away to African Americans and poor people.” (LOL)

Actually, if you knew anything about your candidate at all, you'd know that he has an extremely inflated view of himself. Did you know that he has tried to inline himself with JFK and MLK? Obama has a history of twisting events of the past to boost his image and better position himself as a public figure. He claims JFK was the reason his father, a drunk and a polygamist, was brought over to the states to attend college by paying for the flight in 1959. Last I checked, JFK wasn't in office until 1961. Hmmm... Or what about Obama's speach in Selma Alabama where he states that the civil rights movement was responisble for his parents conceiving him? Better check the dates on that one too..

/rant

Go to school on Obama.

[ErikS]

[Boost_Junky]

LOL

That's funny. It's still a spin by neo-cons to make you think any change in government is BIG brother growing ever so large. We need accountability not a bail out - hand out. Nobody is for bail outs, liberal or conservative.

Neo-cons want everyone to believe if they leave the office, everything will be fall apart.

Kind of like the employee that gets to comfortable and takes advantage of his job. Then when he is threatened to get fired he spouts off saying that the company cannot run without him. They will go bankrupt, they will fail. Then when he is gone, the company resumes business as usual and he is soon forgotten.

[Pops Racer]

i will continue to hold onto that ship, cletus. nothing anyone will ever say will convince me that the war in iraq and a lot of other BS going on right now is justified. i am not going to argue politics because i don't spend the same amount of time and energy reading up on them as others. however, i have read and witnessed enough things to make an educated statement on where i stand.

Well spoken and I respect your position.

LOL

That's funny. It's still a spin by neo-cons to make you think any change in government is BIG brother growing ever so large. We need accountability not a bail out - hand out. Nobody is for bail outs, liberal or conservative.

Neo-cons want everyone to believe if they leave the office, everything will be fall apart.

Kind of like the employee that gets to comfortable and takes advantage of his job. Then when he is threatened to get fired he spouts off saying that the company cannot run without him. They will go bankrupt, they will fail. Then when he is gone, the company resumes business as usual and he is soon forgotten.

NO individual party or person can take this country down, well put.

[Boost_Junky]

Well spoken and I respect your position.

NO individual party or person can take this country down, well put.

I like how this has come full circle.

We are all American's here and political discussions can get real heated. I'm very happy to see we can all respect each others views.

[gdizzle]

I like how this has come full circle.

We are all American's here and political discussions can get real heated. I'm very happy to see we can all respect each others views.

You're not going to reply to my post?

[Boost_Junky]

You're not going to reply to my post?

Do you really want me to?

Obama admits in his own auto biography that whilst searching for his identity as a "black" man (not a black/white man) in America at a young age, he was heavily influenced by radicals of the black anti-colonialist movement of the 50's and 60's. These guys were all about down with whitey and of the thought that they had to put on their white face over the black skin to survive in a "white" society. These are not good people to be associated with, the fact that he spent 20 years under the tutilage of a blatant racist should be alarming, and the fact that you don't find it alarming is in its self, ALARMING. Obama also admits in his autobiography that he sympathizes with Malcom X's desires to expunge himself of his white devil blood. So why would someone who doesn't hate white people have such a desire to rid themselves of their association with the white race? What has the white race done to him? His WHITE grandparents slaved away at their jobs so that Barry could get a top education at the Punahou school in Hawaii, a school that's tuition is about 70k today. Yet, after all they did for him, Barrack felt the need to throw his white devil grandparents under the buss due to a single conflict his grandmother had with a black street peddler when he was in high school. Sounds like a great guy. You really should do some research on your candidate of choice, not just get your news from MTV.

I don’t watch MTV. But nice try. So you are pretending to understand how it is to be a black man in America? How’s that working out for you “g-dizzle”? Let me take your words as truth and counter point. So when you sympathize with someone, you agree with them or you understand how they feel?

Here are some synonyms for sympathize, maybe this will help you understand. Empathize, feel sorry for, express sympathy, understand, identify, feel bad for. Funny, in that I never heard “agrees with” or “I share the same view.” Somebody has been listening to the neo-cons and spinning some top notch bull crap. Let me guess who.

I am influenced by radicals. Does that make me hate other people. NO. “Radical” let’s define that for you too. Radical in this sense of the word means to “favor major change” - favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature. “Radical”.

So in your research that your pinning on me. Did it include a dictionary?

Obama being a muslim is a moot point. What is important is the fact that on his own website he claims that he has never been a muslim, never read the koran, never prayed to alah, etc. This is 100% FALSE. Barack used to go to prayer meetings with his muslim step father Lolo Soetoro. That doesn't mean he prayed there, but... He admits in HIS OWN autobiography that he was disciplined while in school for making faces during the reading of the Koran. Hmm. Barry, I mean Barack, admits also that he attended a muslim school in indonesia for 2 years, and a catholic school for additional two years before moving to Hawaii to live with his dirty white grandparents. His school teachers and principals recall Barack reciting prayers in class that are resevered only for those "true believers" of Alah.

So why lie about never reading the koran, or praying to alah? He sure is good at lying.

None of your so called evidence proves that he READ the Koran. How many people have heard or listened to a passage from the bible but never read it. Probably more than actually read the bible. Come on the moot point here is yours. I mean how many people went to catholic school but don't believe in god, a ton! So if he goes to a non-christain school he is bad. Nice one.

You have sworn statements from school teachers? This is most likely something you heard or read. In court we call that hearsay.

big deal. It goes both ways.

Agreed.

How do you think he's going to make it "more affordable?" Use your brain.

Same way Walmart did, use yours.

Yeah, we're all out of good ideas, so lets give all of our hard earned money away to the poor and lazy, raise the crap out of taxes, and F over everyone that worked hard to become what they are. Great idea, where do I sign up? Oh that's right, I click the box for Obama in Novemeber. No thanks.

That is exactly what the neo-cons are trying to brain wash you with. They want you to think Obama mean higher taxes, free handouts and bankrupt the nation. That’s what happened when Clinton was in office huh? NOT! The only ones getting tax breaks and handouts are oil companies, pharmaceutical companies and contracters for the government. Nice one republican.

Actually, if you knew anything about your candidate at all, you'd know that he has an extremely inflated view of himself. Did you know that he has tried to inline himself with JFK and MLK? Obama has a history of twisting events of the past to boost his image and better position himself as a public figure. He claims JFK was the reason his father, a drunk and a polygamist, was brought over to the states to attend college by paying for the flight in 1959. Last I checked, JFK wasn't in office until 1961. Hmmm... Or what about Obama's speach in Selma Alabama where he states that the civil rights movement was responisble for his parents conceiving him? Better check the dates on that one too..

Better do some more research my dear debate buddy. I will let another dear friend of mine explain this one.

“The story is that the Kennedy Foundation funded the Kenya airlift, which it did, just not the particular

flight Obama Sr was on, could have been Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier or Jackie Robinson. The Kennedy Foundation didn't begin supporting those airlifts until the next year, but did support the program, so there is some validity to the story

as Obama Sr continued to get financial support from the program. Obama did not say JFK brought him here, but why worry about semantics? (Washington Post, Micheal Dobbs wrote the article, but I don't have the date)

Yes, his father was a drunk, but hey, so was Bush! And lets not forget that nasty cocaine thing..... Hate that people compare him to his father, because they might do the same to me and my mother. LOL! The rest of the argument is

more tail wagging the dog, sins of the father and all.... can we stick to the issues? Joe Kennedy was a lousy human,bootlegger filanderer and most of his kids turned out okay, although the jury is still out on Ted...

And why is it hard to believe that someone had sex during a civil rights rally? Really, have you ever been to a march, rally or protest? Well, I have and...Oh, yeah, I can see how a baby might happen.”

Could not have put it better myself. But please keep them coming because I am just getting warmed up.

[FistFull]

it is what it is...its not what really happens its what is said .....

[gdizzle]

I don’t watch MTV. But nice try. So you are pretending to understand how it is to be a black man in America? How’s that working out for you “g-dizzle”? Let me take your words as truth and counter point. So when you sympathize with someone, you agree with them or you understand how they feel?

Here are some synonyms for sympathize, maybe this will help you understand. Empathize, feel sorry for, express sympathy, understand, identify, feel bad for. Funny, in that I never heard “agrees with” or “I share the same view.” Somebody has been listening to the neo-cons and spinning some top notch bull crap. Let me guess who.

I am influenced by radicals. Does that make me hate other people. NO. “Radical” let’s define that for you too. Radical in this sense of the word means to “favor major change” - favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature. “Radical”.

So in your research that your pinning on me. Did it include a dictionary?

You totally missed the point, no surprise there though. You listed a great word, IDENTIFY[to associate in name, feeling, interest, action, etc] in your synonyms for sympathize. You don't find it alarming that Obama IDENTIFIES with Malcom X on his desire to exponge his white devil blood? Why would someone want to exponge their white blood, sorry, white DEVIL blood? Malcom X tells us, he says he wants to exponge his white devil blood because he HATES his white side. Hate is a strong word, and in Malcom X's description of desires to rid himself of his white devil blood, the same statement that obama IDENTIFIES with, it's the word he uses. I never said I was pretending to understand how it is to be a black man in the US, but I find it odd that someone can be born into and raised by a white family, and abonded by his black father and later his white mother and come to hate the white side, the side that did more for him as a child than his black side of the family ever did. I'm sure it was tough being 1 of 2 black kids in a prestigeous prepartory school in hawaii, a school where only Hawaii's finest attended. Hard times for Barry Obama for sure.

As for Radicals, I'm well aware of what it means. What is important is the type of radicals one associates themselves with. Hitler was a radical. Stalin was a radical. Musolini was a radical. Che' Guevara was a radical. Should I continue, or do you get the point? No? Figures. The people by whom Obama was inlfuenced [the capacity or power of persons or things to be a compelling force on or produce effects on the actions, behavior, opinions, etc., of others] by, like rev. wright, were racists. People who hated the white race. If you don't see a giant red flag here, then you're blind.

None of your so called evidence proves that he READ the Koran. How many people have heard or listened to a passage from the bible but never read it. Probably more than actually read the bible. Come on the moot point here is yours. I mean how many people went to catholic school but don't believe in god, a ton! So if he goes to a non-christain school he is bad. Nice one.

You have sworn statements from school teachers? This is most likely something you heard or read. In court we call that hearsay.

News flash, when one attends a muslim school in a MUSLIM country, one reads the koran as part of ones education. I don't have "sworn statements" but I've read interviews with his past teachers and principals. Also, isn't listening to someone read something the same thing as reading it yourself? I'm not saying he's bad for going to "muslim school", I'm saying it's bad that he lies about it on his campaign website.

Same way Walmart did, use yours.

I hate walmart, thanks for giving me another reason not to vote for Obama.

That is exactly what the neo-cons are trying to brain wash you with. They want you to think Obama mean higher taxes, free handouts and bankrupt the nation. That’s what happened when Clinton was in office huh? NOT! The only ones getting tax breaks and handouts are oil companies, pharmaceutical companies and contracters for the government. Nice one republican.

Obama DOES mean higher taxes, free handouts, etc. Obama himself has stated he plans to raise taxes.

Better do some more research my dear debate buddy. I will let another dear friend of mine explain this one.

“The story is that the Kennedy Foundation funded the Kenya airlift, which it did, just not the particular

flight Obama Sr was on, could have been Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier or Jackie Robinson. The Kennedy Foundation didn't begin supporting those airlifts until the next year, but did support the program, so there is some validity to the story

as Obama Sr continued to get financial support from the program. Obama did not say JFK brought him here, but why worry about semantics? (Washington Post, Micheal Dobbs wrote the article, but I don't have the date)

Yes, his father was a drunk, but hey, so was Bush! And lets not forget that nasty cocaine thing..... Hate that people compare him to his father, because they might do the same to me and my mother. LOL! The rest of the argument is

more tail wagging the dog, sins of the father and all.... can we stick to the issues? Joe Kennedy was a lousy human,bootlegger filanderer and most of his kids turned out okay, although the jury is still out on Ted...

And why is it hard to believe that someone had sex during a civil rights rally? Really, have you ever been to a march, rally or protest? Well, I have and...Oh, yeah, I can see how a baby might happen.”

The first airlift was paid for by Tom Mboya IIRC. The second airlift was paid for by a Kennedy fund while Kennedy was in office after Mr. Mboya persuaded Kennedy. I've done my research, thanks though. Bush was a drunk, and so was Obama Sr, and so was Lolo Soetoro. As for cocaine, Obama has a lust for the white stuff too, I hear a little smack as well. As for the civil rights rally, the time line doesn't add up, e.g. the selma event vs. Obama being born. IT's a total fabrication.