The Real Obama

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basically Obama does not have enough experience in office

He says he wants change but the only change that will happen is his view to get voters (changed his view on off-shore drilling to get voters)

His support for National Health care will k!ll our economy and people's pay check

The only reason people are supporting him is because they are afraid that they will have another Bush through McCain.... and they do not do research to find out that Bill Clinton did a lot more harm than Bush did.

[Oreo931]

.... and they do not do research to find out that Bill Clinton did a lot more harm than Bush did.

:rolleyes:

[TheDude]

basically Obama does not have enough experience in office

He says he wants change but the only change that will happen is his view to get voters (changed his view on off-shore drilling to get voters)

His support for National Health care will k!ll our economy and people's pay check

The only reason people are supporting him is because they are afraid that they will have another Bush through McCain.... and they do not do research to find out that Bill Clinton did a lot more harm than Bush did.

Oh man, let me go grab my listening ears.

Please justify that last sentence...with...omg...FACTS!

[TM850R]

I don't think he was looking for a pat on the head. I think he is implying that Obama is afraid of what he'll hear from the guys on the line. The truth about how they feel and what they think should be done.

Well thats why there is a chain of command. Obama went to talk to the higher ups on that chain of command. Our armed forces are a volunteer service, they knew what they were getting into when they signed up. There is arguing that point.

[Pops Racer]

Well thats why there is a chain of command. Obama went to talk to the higher ups on that chain of command. Our armed forces are a volunteer service, they knew what they were getting into when they signed up. There is arguing that point.

They absolutely should know what they are getting into. They should also know what their potential boss thinks about their effort, their culture, and their mission. I'm telling you that an overwhelming majority of enlistees support our efforts and want to see it thru to a succesful end. Any wavering or denial of their successes would be a morale reducer. Obama is wobbly, he is a European in American clothes, and as such the reality exists of another 1936 and 1968, where the diplomats in Europe thought Hitler was an okay guy and who did nothing while tanks rolled into Czekeslovakia(sp). If they had stood up then, 80 million people would not have been exterminated (70 million by Stalin and 10 million by Hitler), let alone the war casualties of WWII would have been lessened. I'm just saying he is not my guy, not even close.

[DonutsDemise]

They absolutely should know what they are getting into. They should also know what their potential boss thinks about their effort, their culture, and their mission. I'm telling you that an overwhelming majority of enlistees support our efforts and want to see it thru to a succesful end. Any wavering or denial of their successes would be a morale reducer. Obama is wobbly, he is a European in American clothes, and as such the reality exists of another 1936 and 1968, where the diplomats in Europe thought Hitler was an okay guy and who did nothing while tanks rolled into Czekeslovakia(sp). If they had stood up then, 80 million people would not have been exterminated (70 million by Stalin and 10 million by Hitler), let alone the war casualties of WWII would have been lessened. I'm just saying he is not my guy, not even close.

that's a pretty bold statement without any evidence supporting it. plus, hitler and stalin were busy appeasing each other. as if that was the only factor that allowed what happened.

Iraq and Afghanistan are not WWII and Saddam was no Hitler although he looked a bit like Stalin.

[ErikS]

Obama is in Hawaii on vacation, and the McCain campaign managers aren't letting him talk to the press because he's coming up blank with their "difficult" questions.

Shit.

Stewart/Colbert 08' ....

[JCviggen]

I have been reading and researching Georgia- Russia invasion today. My conclusion and opinion? Russia is a thug nation that needs to be smacked. Only thing I saw on many news channels and internet was displaced civilians and burning homes, shops and apartment buildings. Not a single military installation under attack. I hope Georgia responds like the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan and I hope we send an aircraft carrier with F/A 18's flying CAP's over Georgia. Splash a couple of MIGs, put a few wholes in a couple of BMP's and they will back down. They don't have the balls to challenge us militarily. My opinion. Russia would have to look at the results their aircraft had against us in other conflicts, I don't care about Mig-29/31's speed and manueverabilty-AMRAMS for FTW. I know I sound like a war monger, but this reminds me so much of Czekeslovakia/Poland in WWII and CZeks again in 1968. My family comes from Ukraine/ Polish border town of Lvov, and if you don't think those comie fucks from the Kremlin wouldn't do it you are all naive. Georgia may have pulled some crap with Ossetia, but this is blatant disregard for regional security, sovereignty, and human rights. Fuck Russia, put a cap in their ass. They disregarded cease fire after agreeing to it and pushed deeper into Georgia, destroying coast guard vessels and routing army. Looting homes and businesses, they behave like animals, even in war there are morals.They are still pissed about dissolution in '89 and will do all they can to reconstitute the motherland. Unless Un or Nato steps in this will get ugly. They won't. Russia has been planning this for a while. The equipment is new, and they have the petro dollars to power this assault. No one has the balls to stand up to them and they don't fucking care anyway. Thumbing their red noses at the world. I hate them. I hate cowardly bullies and I hate whimpering liberals who want to talk or play nice with murderers. Yup I am self righteous and believe the US is the best hope for freedom in the world. I trust democracy and free speech as well as the free market. Keep appeasing the murderers and they will be at your doorstep. I swear if I wasn't an old creaky bastard I'd re-enlist and put my ass back in the gunners seat of a tank. I'm indignant right now, and have no patience or understanding. Peace thru superior fire power. If you punch a bully in the nose he will run crying to his momma. Every time I got into a fight, I'd go after the biggest baddest fuck in the group. I got plenty of stitches, but most of the time the cocksuckers ran. Cowards. I AM LIVID!!

Obama whimpered about this until McCAin spoke tough. Pussy. John "Wayne" McCain for Prez.

You'd do the Bush administration proud nice going, although it's obviously not entirely your fault :

The Bush administration appears to be trying to turn a failed military operation by Georgia into a successful diplomatic operation against Russia.

It is doing so by presenting the Russian actions as aggression and playing down the Georgian attack into South Ossetia on 7 August, which triggered the Russian operation.

Yet the evidence from South Ossetia about that attack indicates that it was extensive and damaging.

Blame game

The BBC's Sarah Rainsford has reported: "Many Ossetians I met both in Tskhinvali and in the main refugee camp in Russia are furious about what has happened to their city.

"They are very clear who they blame: Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili, who sent troops to re-take control of this breakaway region."

Has Moscow learned yet how to play the media game?

Human Rights Watch concluded after an on-the-ground inspection: "Witness accounts and the timing of the damage would point to Georgian fire accounting for much of the damage described [in Tskhinvali]."

One problem for the Russians is that they have not yet learned how to play the media game. Their authoritarian government might never do so.

Most of the Western media is based in Georgia. The Russians were slow to give access from their side and this has helped them lose the propaganda war.

Georgia, meanwhile, was comparing this to Prague in 1968 and Budapest in 1956. Even the massacre at Srebrenica was recalled.

Mud sticks

The comparisons did not fit the facts, but some of the mud has stuck and Russia has been on the international defensive.

The visit by the US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Georgia is a signal of support for Mr Saakashvili.

Significantly, she is not paying a matching visit to Moscow but will return directly to the United States where she will brief President George W Bush in Texas.

She has refused to condemn Georgia and barely acknowledged Russia's point that it had to protect its peacekeeping forces (a battalion-sized unit allowed in South Ossetia along with Georgian and North Ossetian and South Ossetian forces under a 1992 agreement).

Instead she blamed Russia for widening the conflict by bombing beyond what the 1992 deal called the "zone of conflict" in South Ossetia.

She said: "This is something that, had it been about South Ossetia, could have been resolved within certain limits.

"Russian peacekeepers were in the area; that is true. And Russia initially said it needed to act to protect its peacekeepers and its people.

"But what Russia has done is well beyond anything that anyone could say is for the protection of those people and for those peacekeepers."

The Americans have sent in planes full of humanitarian aid, again a symbol of support.

But they have sent no military supplies. Defence Secretary Robert Gates has said: "I don't see any prospect for the use of military force by the United States in this situation. Is that clear enough?"

US diplomacy is also concentrating on the issue of sovereignty and territorial integrity - which means that South Ossetia and the other restless region, Abkhazia, must remain within Georgian borders. Russian has questioned this.

Moscow's anger

This widens the whole question into one of Russian behaviour generally, which is much surer ground for the Bush administration. The US will continue to press for eventual Georgian and Ukrainian membership of Nato.

The Republican presidential hopeful Senator John McCain also sees in this conflict an opportunity to put Russia in the dock, declaring: "We are all Georgians now."

All this is likely to anger Moscow, which will feel that it has a case and that it is being ignored. Right from the start it said that the operation was not an invasion.

The adverse effect on US-Russia relations, about which Mr Gates warned, is going to be a two-way process.

There are signs, though, that there is some sympathy for Russia within the European Union - although not among the Eastern European states who still fear Russia and not in the British government, which has matched the US line about Russian "aggression".

But German Chancellor Angela Merkel is seeing Russian leaders and while she too will urge them not to challenge borders, the German government has been notably reluctant to blame Russia.

source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7562611.stm

I don't know if I should consider your "military" comments about the US in Russia as uninformed or ignorant, but it's going to be one of those things rather than accurate i'm afraid.

[s70turbo1998]

[turbomoose]

basically Obama does not have enough experience in office

He says he wants change but the only change that will happen is his view to get voters (changed his view on off-shore drilling to get voters)

His support for National Health care will k!ll our economy and people's pay check

The only reason people are supporting him is because they are afraid that they will have another Bush through McCain.... and they do not do research to find out that Bill Clinton did a lot more harm than Bush did.

+1 on not enough experience. That does scare me. I'm very conservative and the thought of all of this "change" worries me. I want to know exactly what he has in mind, because he hasn't been very clear. I feel he's got some cards up his sleeve, like most politicians do.

I don't like his health care at all.

And Dave, I'm really interested in your opinions for your last sentence. I don't like the Clinton way at all, I really can't stand them at all. but I like their representation and oratory more than Bush's.

Now, off topic slightly, After this Edwards affair BS, I've really become sickened by politics. I think either way we go, we're going to get screwed. It's just the method in which they screw us. I never thought I'd think that of our country, but I'm getting burned out by politics, and I never thought I would. :(

[Smithwicks]

hmm i guess ill throw in my two cents about the whole Georgia situation...basically Russia's actions confirmed what was already there...that the US really has no control over what Russia does given our involvement in the War on Terror. To say that; the balance of power had already shifted towards Russia, all this conflict did was confirm it. Also this conflict bolstered the credibility of the Russian Army once again, which before this was probably seen by most of us as second rate.

as for Obama...been out of the politics loop for about 3 months, dont know enough to make an educated statement.

[Pops Racer]

that's a pretty bold statement without any evidence supporting it. plus, hitler and stalin were busy appeasing each other. as if that was the only factor that allowed what happened.

Iraq and Afghanistan are not WWII and Saddam was no Hitler although he looked a bit like Stalin.

Those are documented numbers , pal. Stalin purged 70 million Jews and other

"undesirables". I don't know how you can dispute them. Are you a Holocaust denier also? Read your high school history book, I don't need "evidence".

[Pops Racer]

You'd do the Bush administration proud nice going, although it's obviously not entirely your fault :

source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7562611.stm

I don't know if I should consider your "military" comments about the US in Russia as uninformed or ignorant, but it's going to be one of those things rather than accurate i'm afraid.

Don't be condescending towards me, thats insulting, and it doesn't suit you. It makes you look like a snob.. These are opinions based on my beliefs, I dare say the vast majority of Americans feel this way. I'm not a shill for the Bush Admin, I form my own opinions based on my own research and experience. I know full well about the S. Ossetia issue, that doesn't give the Russians the moral high ground. They invaded a sovereign country. US power over Russia? How about the weak UN and NATO responses? You quoted me but obviously cherry picked my comments. Oh yeah, lose the smiley faces, people are dying, and I am as serious as heart attack about the Soviet Union. Again, check your history books, and tell me I'm wrong about Russian behavior and attitude towards the west or those former satellite countries. As usual, sympathy and understanding for another murderous regime. I hope you are not applying the dead, liberal theory of Moral Equivalancy. Oh yeah, how did it work out in Belgium, when the Nazi's plowed thru? Can you say Vichy French?

[Chilled man]

phhhh ones no different then the other.

right now I woudl rather vote for then anyone else running ;)

[Boost_Junky]

No, correction, the actual Obama.

Republicans are running scared.

Is it me or are they very scared right now? Anything that they can think of is being thrown around.

-“Obama’s affiliation with the his church means he HATES white people.” Republican spin has it like Obama said the things the reverend did. Am I accountable for everything somebody else says because I associate with them? In that case I must be a KKK member like Dave! (LOL)

-“Obama is Muslim.” Another racially motivated smear made up by the republicans. He’s Muslim but we are supposed to hate him for the anti-white Christian church he goes to. Which is republican liar? Which is it?

-“Obama snuffed the troops during his visit to the middle east.” Another spin the republicans made up. Obama followed the advice of his security advisors. Which didn’t allow him to interact as much with people in non-secure zones. Any dumb a$$ would understand that. He is a target people. Look at all the republican racist cross hairs on him already, and that’s in the USA.

-“Obama wants to bankrupt the USA by giving health care away for free.” Another republican lie. Obama wants to make health care affordable. Not free. Where is the word “free” in affordable? They said Clinton was going to bankrupt the USA too, and we ended up with a surplus. Unless you make over 250k a year, you’re not rich enough to be voting for a "republican get the rich richer canadate."

-“The democrats want to make the county a communism.” This is another republican bully term used to try smear the democrats. Your futile thoughts are transparent republicans, you’re scared and out of actual good ideas.

-“Calling Obama our savior or messiah." This is a very backhanded attempt by the conserva-nazi’s to subconsciously impress the ideal that Obama thinks he God. This was spawned by the scared thoughts that he will win by a landslide. It also has roots in the anti-christ is coming theory. All of this is trying to scare people from voting for the “big scary God like black man who doesn’t like his country and wants to give your money away to African Americans and poor people.” (LOL)

These are only some of the lies and propaganda being spread by the republicans. I have heard on FOX radio that the republicans think he is going to give black people reparations. WTF is that? Are you serious? It’s the same old crap. Now the republicans are blaming the democratic congress for all their republican mistakes. The republican party is solely to blame for this country’s economic troubles. They are the reason we are fighting a pointless war in a country that has nothing to do with us. Where we are spending over a billion dollars a month, and the republicans want to cry about healthcare for fellow Americans bankrupting the country. Oh and where is Bin-Laden?

The Georgia conflict is more complicated than just jumping on one side. You have some provinces who want to rebel against Georgia and return to communism, which is their choice. They enlisted Russia and Georgia retaliated. Now Russia has dead men on their hands. They are not too happy, but you will not hear this from the conserva-nazi press. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, all of the above. They don’t report both sides like they say. They spin everything for a conservative upper hand. And what sickens me is that so many people slurp it up like retarded sheep licking the butthole of a rich press reporter – talk radio host.

I have a message for republicans. Stop running scared like your money will dry up helping other Americans. Stop lying and bulling your way through Washington. Stop running the country like a money crazed mad man who has no concern for human rights. STOP, we the people will not put up with it. Smear all you want. Your party is done. It’s time for a change. No more will we put up with your lack of morals and conservative tactics to keep money above all else. You are ruining our name and I as one will not have it.

This is America and the only thing getting us closer to communism is this so-called terrorist war the republicans have us fighting. We are chasing our tails around making the world hate us and losing our freedoms in the process. All the while cooperations are making huge money off government contracts. We have to contract out jobs that the military used to do in the gulf war. Why? If we didn’t, we would have to DRAFT more soldiers. Think about that conserva-nazi, you could never sell a war if there was a draft. The democrats will not have us in a socialist society, nice try republican grumpy old man. We will still have free enterprise but there needs to be accountability. We need to get back to WE THE PEOPLE and get away from WE THE COORPERATION!

On the issue of abortion. We as men should have little to no say in abortion. As long as the child is in woman’s body, it is her choice to do with it what she wants. Last time I checked men don’t have a uterus and we shouldn’t make choices for people who do. To clear things up, if I was a woman, I would never abort my child. However this is not the case. Once the living child is out of the mother’s womb, then this becomes a human rights issue.

The fact that Obama has little experience is a breath of fresh air. The guys with experience are generally corrupt and afraid of change. We need a new, young blooded liberal to come shake things up. We have had the yang for too too long, we are in desperate need of the yin.

/rant