Do Not Buy From Speed Tuning!

[Chilled man]

I wouldnt ever if I could drive down and reason with him .

excursion with tow hook :lol:

[94850tx]

not as long as ppl want a cheap tune, ppl are still gonna look at the fact that it was a 1 out of 10 mishap.

also it is understandable nick's position, but he did have the option to send another ECU. obviously not his responsibility but it wasn't like there weren't options. oliver doesn't stock pile ecu's either. obviously oliver has issues with his payment method and packaging, but the fact still remains 9 other ppl didn't have a problem getting their promised products. as long as there's a market for cheap tuning ppl will still get it on it, it just may take a while longer to get everyone together for it.

Why on earth would I send another ECU?

#1 Not my fault

#2 The first one didn't work, why would this one?

#3 He doesn't stand behind his work

#4 He doesn't package it properly

#5 He doesn't insure it correctly

#6 He lied to me

Why throw more money away? I am not about to send him another ECU and risk not getting it back, ECUs are not free. And in case you didn't read he told me on Monday he would not do anything for me and hung up on me and will now not return e-mails or answer when I call- So NO that actually is not an option. Not sure why you are fighting for a crook. If this happened to you John you'd be whining harder than anyone else here because it'd be almost your entire car budget for the month. Everyone is a great vendor until John gets screwed over. Get a life.

And I don't give a crap what the price is.....if you sell something at X price you deliver it if you've been paid- plain and simple. Anything else is just theft, theft doesn't change because it is a lower priced product.

Also, 9 other people did not not have a problem. Please read through this post- another guy didn't end up with the correct ECU- which I understand there is some problems there possibly on his end and Oliver also kept another guys case and was a douche about sending it back. So no I don't think that is a good ratio of problems to success. I think anyone who sends this guy a dime and their ECU is ignorant after this, it's not worth the hassle and risk. Stealing is stealing and by supporting vendors like this you are allowing this to happen to others. 10+% chance of loosing all of your money is not good odds. Do you buy from people on ebay that have a 90% feedback rating? Read back through this thread there are plenty of others that have had issues that were poorly handled.

Of all people concerned about money people looking for a "cheap" option really shouldn't want to use him, if you already are low on funds why on earth would you want to risk loosing them?

This is not about the money, it's about the principal of the matter and that a vendor basically stole my money. I don't like being stole from, period.

Nick

[prasamin]

not as long as ppl want a cheap tune, ppl are still gonna look at the fact that it was a 1 out of 10 mishap.

also it is understandable nick's position, but he did have the option to send another ECU. obviously not his responsibility but it wasn't like there weren't options. oliver doesn't stock pile ecu's either. obviously oliver has issues with his payment method and packaging, but the fact still remains 9 other ppl didn't have a problem getting their promised products. as long as there's a market for cheap tuning ppl will still get it on it, it just may take a while longer to get everyone together for it.

I don't know man......so, you're saying he'd be out of two ECU's? and that's okay?

[HtownTurboBrick]

I don't know man......so, you're saying he'd be out of two ECU's? and that's okay?

guys im not saying that nick should do it, im just saying he's not without options. what if you did send an ecu and did get a working product? and maybe oliver reinbursts him for the cost. different paths lead to different outcomes thats all im saying. but what if's and maybes don't do anybody any good, i'm just making an observation.

[HtownTurboBrick]

im not defending oliver, im just replying to justin, fact of that matter is if there's a cheap option ppl will buy it. you know this for a fact, theres no way around it, thats why chinese knock off parts keep showing up on ebay. people will buy what they can find for cheap. you can shoot the messenger all you want, but what you fail to realize is, 1 indiscretion is not enough to make ppl stop buying.

the other ECU was supposed to be for a 94 but turned out to be a 96, and him keeping the guy's case, thats just effin retarded to do.

now if your looking for my show of support, your a big boy nick i don't need to coddle you. so calm the hell down. your dealings with oliver need to be settled in a legal manner, a forum post will not help change your outcome, but obviously you know i'll back you up, and i always call it how it is.

[tozovr]

guys im not saying that nick should do it, im just saying he's not without options. what if you did send an ecu and did get a working product? and maybe oliver reinbursts him for the cost. different paths lead to different outcomes thats all im saying. but what if's and maybes don't do anybody any good, i'm just making an observation.

yes he has options. He could also opt to inject heroin into his eyeballs....but it's not a good option, or a reasonable one.

[Chilled man]

yes he has options. He could also opt to inject heroin into his eyeballs....but it's not a good option, or a reasonable one.

:lol:

[HtownTurboBrick]

yes he has options. He could also opt to inject heroin into his eyeballs....but it's not a good option, or a reasonable one.

would injecting heroin get him a working ECU? if it's a feasible option then it's still an option, good or bad (retarded to do the stupid step, but sending another ecu is far from injecting his eye). thats all i'm pointing out that there were things that he could do to get an ECU and take the legal steps later to obtain the money he is out. obviously his phone convo's and emails don't seem to have the expected effect did they? the only options now left are to show up for some face time (out more money for travel costs and time off work, but i imagine nick would work it so his company sends him out there for something) or make a legal claim (out more money for court fees and paper work and/or lawyer) so tell me where the cost effectiveness is? and all the while he still has no working ECU.

a lot of ppl around here seem to be very short sighted and miss the whole picture. im speaking from a stand point of how to have my car back on the road ASAP. Nick of course has several other cars he can rely on so it's not as big of a deal. the rest of you can waste your breath, but im not defending oliver, i'm speaking about the reality of a situation, we don't live in fairy tale land. 1. a thread on a shady vendor will not get him his money back (he'll never see, nor does he care), and 2. this thread will deter some future buyers, but it will not obliterate oliver's business. as long as someone has shallow pockets they will look into this alternative, won't they the other 9 buyers in the gb? obviously there was a market for such a product and will continue to be.

[Mogatu'r]

If this happened to you John you'd be whining harder than anyone else here because it'd be almost your entire car budget for the month. Everyone is a great vendor until John gets screwed over. Get a life.

Of all people concerned about money people looking for a "cheap" option really shouldn't want to use him, if you already are low on funds why on earth would you want to risk loosing them?

This is not about the money, it's about the principal of the matter and that a vendor basically stole my money. I don't like being stole from, period.

Nick

that comment about Jon is soooo unnecessary... His situation is faaaarr different than any of ours,...But yet still, after a situation like this one, anyone whines !

This post is good to show all those ppl looking for a cheap tune and the risks you end up taking. I've been in this thing long enough to see ppl getting the shaft from the 1st GB, soooo why on earth make another GB ????? As for you Nick, for someone spending loads and loads of $$ to just get a cheap tune is almost unreal, Lucky would have given you some sort of discount.

guys im not saying that nick should do it, im just saying he's not without options. what if you did send an ecu and did get a working product? and maybe oliver reinbursts him for the cost. different paths lead to different outcomes thats all im saying. but what if's and maybes don't do anybody any good, i'm just making an observation.

Good observation Jon, but I don't think he had the option to do so.

[94850tx]

LOL and WOW at both of y'alls off base and silly comments.

Bottom line is price has no bearing...HE STILL NEEDS TO DELIVER A PRODUCT OR ITS THEFT. Do you think I can say to a customer "well you bought the cheaper brake shoes so I'm just not going to bring you anything" LMFAO yea...right!

And as far as IPD vs ST I got in on this because they needed one more person to do the group buy and I've had an IPD tune in this car before (since sold) and wanted to try the ST....no one said anything in prior posts that I researched about him not delivering product only that it ran rich.

Kind of like...with all the money you've spent why did you go with a used clutch?

Once again like I said, price should not even enter into this discussion.

[HtownTurboBrick]

LOL and WOW at both of y'alls off base and silly comments.

Even at a discount the IPD ECU would cost more than the price of the car I was putting it in so that was not an option for this specific vehicle. Bottom line is price has no bearing...HE STILL NEED TO DELIVER A PRODUCT OR ITS THEFT. Do you think I can say to a customer "well you bought the cheaper brake shoes so I'm just not going to bring you anything" LMFAO yea...right! It's clearly obvious neither of you have anything to do with customer service nor do you know anything about it.

Kind of like...with all the money you've spent why did you go with a used clutch?

damn it nick you still don't get the point do you? im trying to get you to see the bigger picture, but if you really need me to spoon feed it to you i will. you assume everything i say is a personal attack, but you still got a lot to learn about the reality of things. just shut up, and think for a second and you'll see what i've been getting at.

how long do you think it'll take to get your money back if you file a law suit? set foot on his property with random threats or just ranting and it's jail time for you (and you know you're gonna go off if you can't contain yourselves in a phone convo). the time and aggravation you spend in both those options don't offset your cost at all. what i was trying to describe to you is to go ahead and get your product taken care off. you spent $10k this year on your cars right? spend another $50 and get another ecu. you don't see the parallels between jross and rica vs. oliver and speedtuning? oliver is just a vendor for euro based speedtuning. the big dogs are who you need to take this up with. a vendor such as oliver is giving them a bad name.

if you're truly trying to do the volvo community at large any favors thats the route you would be taking, not just post about something nobody here can help you with. you know it and i know it. you want to make a honest dealer out of oliver? i doubt it, he's too far gone in your mind and theres no hope or future for him, so the only real option is to crush his operation. he has bosses he has to answer to, speedtuning is not of his own creation.

this is what i mean by narrow minded and short sightedness in this community, nobody looks at the big picture. everyone expects instant gratification and the chips to always stack up. you get screwed sometimes in life, thats reality. you get screwed, you screw them back. so if you still think im here to protect poor old oliver, think again, but im not here to coddle you or kiss your ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD either. count your options and choose what is best for you. post master has tons of cases, cops of tons of cases, what makes you think you have any priority over anyone else? they got bigger fish to fry and a $255 fraud case isn't going to make anyone run out and nab him.

spend $50 get a 94 ecu, send it to him, get your tune, if he keeps your other ecu then you can sue him since there's not supposed to be a core exchange, demand the reimbursement for the cost of damages to his shipping of the ecu, or proof that he insured his product. but you need to deal with speedtuning europe and get them in on this. let them know of his mis-conduct and lack of corporate policy they may even reimburse you who knows. because you'll be spending the next 6 months to a year in lawsuits and paper work all the while without a functioning ecu for your 850. and spending god knows what in fees and loss time at work to go file things.

[HtownTurboBrick]

and as far as juan's clutch goes, no guarantee the swap was even going to work so no sense in spending money in something that may or may not work, but still would be a purchase in the future. you have no idea what you're talking about so you need to keep juan's name and situation out of your mouth you understand? you need to get that sand out of your vagina and man the hell up, stop trying to play tit for tat and just listen. nobody's against you here.

[Ghost Shadow]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NICK

yeah hanging up on a customer is total BS that is something I would never do regardless and would really piss me off also.

i'd hang up on you just for fun

[94850tx]

and as far as juan's clutch goes, no guarantee the swap was even going to work so no sense in spending money in something that may or may not work, but still would be a purchase in the future. you have no idea what you're talking about so you need to keep juan's name and situation out of your mouth you understand? you need to get that sand out of your vagina and man the hell up, stop trying to play tit for tat and just listen. nobody's against you here.

???? You are the one acting like your against someone. I was purely pointing out we all do stuff like that.

[94850tx]

damn it nick you still don't get the point do you? im trying to get you to see the bigger picture, but if you really need me to spoon feed it to you i will. you assume everything i say is a personal attack, but you still got a lot to learn about the reality of things. just shut up, and think for a second and you'll see what i've been getting at.

how long do you think it'll take to get your money back if you file a law suit? set foot on his property with random threats or just ranting and it's jail time for you (and you know you're gonna go off if you can't contain yourselves in a phone convo). the time and aggravation you spend in both those options don't offset your cost at all. what i was trying to describe to you is to go ahead and get your product taken care off. you spent $10k this year on your cars right? spend another $50 and get another ecu. you don't see the parallels between jross and rica vs. oliver and speedtuning? oliver is just a vendor for euro based speedtuning. the big dogs are who you need to take this up with. a vendor such as oliver is giving them a bad name.

if you're truly trying to do the volvo community at large any favors thats the route you would be taking, not just post about something nobody here can help you with. you know it and i know it. you want to make a honest dealer out of oliver? i doubt it, he's too far gone in your mind and theres no hope or future for him, so the only real option is to crush his operation. he has bosses he has to answer to, speedtuning is not of his own creation.

this is what i mean by narrow minded and short sightedness in this community, nobody looks at the big picture. everyone expects instant gratification and the chips to always stack up. you get screwed sometimes in life, thats reality. you get screwed, you screw them back. so if you still think im here to protect poor old oliver, think again, but im not here to coddle you or kiss your ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD either. count your options and choose what is best for you. post master has tons of cases, cops of tons of cases, what makes you think you have any priority over anyone else? they got bigger fish to fry and a $255 fraud case isn't going to make anyone run out and nab him.

spend $50 get a 94 ecu, send it to him, get your tune, if he keeps your other ecu then you can sue him since there's not supposed to be a core exchange, demand the reimbursement for the cost of damages to his shipping of the ecu, or proof that he insured his product. but you need to deal with speedtuning europe and get them in on this. let them know of his mis-conduct and lack of corporate policy they may even reimburse you who knows. because you'll be spending the next 6 months to a year in lawsuits and paper work all the while without a functioning ecu for your 850. and spending god knows what in fees and loss time at work to go file things.

You are wayyyy off base on 99% of your post. Please do some rereading. No one asked anyone to take up for me, I purely posted what happened so others would know and could make an informed choice when purchasing in the future. You got many other people's posts confused with mine. You really should pay closer attention when reading before making such a big post bashing someone. The only person upset here is you.