Palin

[Pops Racer]

So you are saying something is wrong with the first black presidential nominee supporting a grass roots effort to get young African Americans to vote?

He's as white as he is black.

ACORN is the victim of uncscrupulous workers? Hire some folks that are less prone to corruption.

Many of these folks don't even have addresses. How do you verify which district they vote in.

Register to vote get a crack rock, and early vote for Obama, sign here please.

IT's not the vote BS as much as how complicit they were in extorting loans for folks that shouldnt have them. Shaming banks by class and race warfare. They are a contributor to the mortgage crisis, and should be held accountable.

Socialism is on its way folks, state owned banks insured by state owned insurance companies, overseen by state run organizations . How will they pay? Tax the rich to death. Then when they hide their money, and refuse to invest or grow their business, who's going to hire you dopes? Over 51% of the US work force is employed by a city, state or federal govt entity. Those folks produce NOTHING for the market. Unfunded retirement mandates, heart and hyper tension, rediculous pensions and golden handshakes. You can count the bank and insurance employees as federal workers now. I work for a company that bills over $1000000 a year. We show a profit of $300000. Obama tax plan kills this company. No hiring, no new vans, no new tools. Multiply that by 100000 and thats the state of small business in the US. Or we'll suck so bad due to economics we won't reach that number, and the Govt gets stiffed out of taxes, lowering expected revenue. Then the ceiling gets lowered, driving us all into the sea. Hmmm...where do I sign up for a Govt job? Oh yeah budget freezes won't let that happen as spending and bond issues decrease. Don't forget this is a govt driven economy, no tax base and all those folks are now unemployed, looking for bennies. How will that get payed for? More taxes. I'm not fooled by this, but you all just vote your little hearts out fro the savior for change. Govt just screwed you over and you will vote for more and more powerful Govt? And it won't be a different govt, you can't move a glacier with a teaspoon. Have fun.

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Your example doesn't work unless the voters actually received money to vote or even to register. They didn't, the people trying to get them to register did.

Btw, I am on my lunch break. Do you actually do any work Dave or just post on VS all day?

they did

not to mention people got crack to register to vote

AND money and cigs to register to vote

[Zappo]

they did

not to mention people got crack to register to vote

AND money and cigs to register to vote

No, that wasn't ACORN directly giving them money or drugs, that was people they contracted with. ACORN probably had no idea what these people were doing to get the registrations.

I am not trying to defend ACORN here, just saying that I doubt most (if any) can be proven that ACORN ordered these people to take this method to get registrations. They should be prosecuted and sent to jail and ACORN's voter registration efforts should be shutdown until they can avoid problems like this. Obviously their pay-by-registration method isn't working.

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No, that wasn't ACORN directly giving them money or drugs, that was people they contracted with. ACORN probably had no idea what these people were doing to get the registrations.

I am not trying to defend ACORN here, just saying that I doubt most (if any) can be proven that ACORN ordered these people to take this method to get registrations. They should be prosecuted and sent to jail and ACORN's voter registration efforts should be shutdown until they can avoid problems like this. Obviously their pay-by-registration method isn't working.

ha, you honestly believe ACORN representatives did not know about them giving voters items to register?

why would they give them money and or cigs if they are trying to make money :arob:

[Zappo]

ha, you honestly believe ACORN representatives did not know about them giving voters items to register?

why would they give them money and or cigs if they are trying to make money

I will believe it when they are prosecuted, but I highly doubt that will happen. How much does a single cig cost? The 19 year old in the article got paid a dollar at most every time he registered. We don't know how much the people getting them to register were being paid. I doubt they were giving away any more than 15% of there income as incentives.

I also believe that after the election the amount of news on ACORN will drop to almost 0.

Regardless, ACORN is off topic for this thread anyway. It is about Palin's qualifications for the job, or lack there of.

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I will believe it when they are prosecuted, but I highly doubt that will happen. How much does a single cig cost? The 19 year old in the article got paid a dollar at most every time he registered. We don't know how much the people getting them to register were being paid. I doubt they were giving away any more than 15% of there income as incentives.

I also believe that after the election the amount of news on ACORN will drop to almost 0.

Regardless, ACORN is off topic for this thread anyway. It is about Palin's qualifications for the job, or lack there of.

well they are going through an investigation right now which is being turned over to the Ohio and other state sheriffs office as we speak.

it is not a single cig, it was packs of cigs which in NY and other areas range between 3$ to 10$

ACORN has been an issue since 2002 with voter regisistration but the reason it came to light was the 830k$ that Obama gave them AND the increase amount of voter fraud

ok back on topic.. Palin is recognizing ACORN as a fraud

if you can not see the link between ACORN and Obama you need to keep wearing your "special" helmet

[gdizzle]

He's as white as he is black.

ACORN is the victim of uncscrupulous workers? Hire some folks that are less prone to corruption.

Many of these folks don't even have addresses. How do you verify which district they vote in.

Register to vote get a crack rock, and early vote for Obama, sign here please.

IT's not the vote BS as much as how complicit they were in extorting loans for folks that shouldnt have them. Shaming banks by class and race warfare. They are a contributor to the mortgage crisis, and should be held accountable.

Socialism is on its way folks, state owned banks insured by state owned insurance companies, overseen by state run organizations . How will they pay? Tax the rich to death. Then when they hide their money, and refuse to invest or grow their business, who's going to hire you dopes? Over 51% of the US work force is employed by a city, state or federal govt entity. Those folks produce NOTHING for the market. Unfunded retirement mandates, heart and hyper tension, rediculous pensions and golden handshakes. You can count the bank and insurance employees as federal workers now. I work for a company that bills over $1000000 a year. We show a profit of $300000. Obama tax plan kills this company. No hiring, no new vans, no new tools. Multiply that by 100000 and thats the state of small business in the US. Or we'll suck so bad due to economics we won't reach that number, and the Govt gets stiffed out of taxes, lowering expected revenue. Then the ceiling gets lowered, driving us all into the sea. Hmmm...where do I sign up for a Govt job? Oh yeah budget freezes won't let that happen as spending and bond issues decrease. Don't forget this is a govt driven economy, no tax base and all those folks are now unemployed, looking for bennies. How will that get payed for? More taxes. I'm not fooled by this, but you all just vote your little hearts out fro the savior for change. Govt just screwed you over and you will vote for more and more powerful Govt? And it won't be a different govt, you can't move a glacier with a teaspoon. Have fun.

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[ErikS]

People don't usually know what's best for them.

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People don't usually know what's best for them.

and that's when Obama comes in

[Zappo]

well they are going through an investigation right now which is being turned over to the Ohio and other state sheriffs office as we speak.

And well it should be investigated, but again, we shall see how far up it goes.

it is not a single cig, it was packs of cigs which in NY and other areas range between 3$ to 10$

That isn't what the article said. If that is the case, it wasn't in the article.

"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up,"

Johnson, who works at a cellphone kiosk in downtown Cleveland, said he was a sitting duck for the signature hunters, but was always happy to help them out in exchange for a smoke or a little scratch.

ACORN has been an issue since 2002 with voter regisistration but the reason it came to light was the 830k$ that Obama gave them AND the increase amount of voter fraud

So, the only reason they are under investigation is because the Republicans feel they are losing the election and need something against him? It wasn't worth investigating before?

ok back on topic.. Palin is recognizing ACORN as a fraud

Only because someone in the campaign told her. If you asked her about it 4 weeks ago she would have been like an Alaskan deer in the headlights.

The media still isn't allowed to ask her questions.

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it was packs of cigs (saw the interview last night)

and it was not the republicans that started or upped the investigation it was a number of democratic representatives.

[flyfishing3]

back on topic.

Palin abusing power. ddurrrr.

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back on topic.

Palin abusing power. ddurrrr.

wow, a political officer abusing power never seen that before

lol, she did not break any laws though :lol:

[Pops Racer]

People don't usually know what's best for them.

Yeah, thats true, but the vast majority do. So the ones that don't, don't care enough to get educated about issues or are perfectly happy getting the check from the politicians, really you and me. If you don't know or care stay home. This whole process is not meant to help citizens, it's meant to keep or put folks in power that help out very specific sections of the population. It's not about looking out for America, it's about looking out for your particular special interest.

If you want to blame the system for folks not caring enough to involved on their own, go ahead. That falls at the feet of the educational system not getting folks educated enough to care about issues. Oh, forgot, education system is another govt entity and monopoly to boot. I'm beginning to see a pattern here. . Oh i know, lets throw more money at that problem and see what happens. But wait, we spend $13,000 per student in Hartford, CT. and the system and the city are a mess, graduation rates are awful, and Hartford is becoming Murder-a-kid theme park.

Palin.

Just to stay on topic.

[Pops Racer]

I checked that link. Lo and behold, NY times, LA times, Boston Globe, and AP. ALL in the tank for the Dems. While I'm sure it's true, if folks can slam Fox and other "right wing" news outlets, I reserve the right to do the same with these papers. Ny times caught in so many lies, truth distortions and one sided reporting I don't even consider it a reliable source anymore.

Oh well, partisanship is the new Pegs.