Boost_Junky Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Yes.Honest anwser. I like that.Why do you feel he should die, go hungry or be sick for not doing well in school? Enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I see what you mean. Allow me to explain. I used "freedom of speech" and "classlessness" as defined by American policy and social interaction. I don't feel we have a full freedom of speech or classlessness. We are just the closest to it in the world.Property taxes fund a majority of our cities public education systems. That policy inherrantly creates a division of class, in multiple ways and on multiple levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Property taxes fund a majority of our cities public education systems. That policy inherrantly creates a division of class, in multiple ways and on multiple levels.eric, is your school public or private? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 eric, is your school public or private?Private, and for-profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 whats your view of vouchers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted October 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Honest anwser. I like that.Why do you feel he should die, go hungry or be sick for not doing well in school? Enlighten me.I'll field this one Fine. Socialized medicine under my plan would consist of free youth in asia for everyone. Including unborn babies. Anything else you have to pay for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibim Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 mmm, the point is being missed. Maybe we should drop it down a notch? 2 cars are driving on a highway, the same highway. Both cars weigh the same, use the same fuel etc. One car has leather seats, the other has cloth seats. So at the toll booth, the guy with leather seats is expected to pay $30 to drive on the road, and the guy with cloth seats $5. To drive the same distance, on the SAME road. That's what the tax system is doing to wealthy people. Now the guy with leather seats, decides, 'stuff this for a bad idea, i'm not driving on this road anymore, i'd rather drive on the roads in another country where they charge per number of wheels'. The $5 doesn't go far enough to maintain the road for the guy with cloth seats to drive on it anymore, so the whole system falls flat. A little extreme, but for the sake of simplifying it even more than beer ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 whats your view of vouchers?Government funded vouchers (scholarships) are a bad idea. Tax payers shouldn't pay for both private and public education (although they do when they can afford private education). I do disagree that competition in the public/private education markets isn't beneficial, as it rasies the bar for the public systems.Our school gives out around $300,000 per year in scholarships, and our new high school program gave away around $1,000,000 in four year scholarships.Most private schools of merit here in Houston do the same, and the ones with $75,000,000 endowments give away a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 what about charter schools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapwagon Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I like the beer one better. Leather seats is like a $700 option. So the rich guy paid more upfront then the poor guy and will pay more to drive on said toll road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Government funded vouchers (scholarships) are a bad idea. Tax payers shouldn't pay for both private and public education (although they do when they can afford private education). I do disagree that competition in the public/private education markets isn't beneficial, as it rasies the bar for the public systems.Our school gives out around $300,000 per year in scholarships, and our new high school program gave away around $1,000,000 in four year scholarships.Most private schools of merit here in Houston do the same, and the ones with $75,000,000 endowments give away a lot more.we have decent public schools here. there are some bad ones and unfortunately they are in the poorer areas. my view is my taxes should fund the local school and if i choose to send my kids to a private school, thats on me.now if they qualify for scholarships all the better. i can't stand how public schools will recruity kids for sports and give scholarships to these kids to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boost_Junky Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Property taxes fund a majority of our cities public education systems. That policy inherently creates a division of class, in multiple ways and on multiple levels.Dually noted. I do agree and this is the best in the world. I'll field this one Fine. Socialized medicine under my plan would consist of free youth in asia for everyone. Including unborn babies. Anything else you have to pay for You have a great since of humor.mmm, the point is being missed. Maybe we should drop it down a notch? 2 cars are driving on a highway, the same highway. Both cars weigh the same, use the same fuel etc. One car has leather seats, the other has cloth seats. So at the toll booth, the guy with leather seats is expected to pay $30 to drive on the road, and the guy with cloth seats $5. To drive the same distance, on the SAME road. That's what the tax system is doing to wealthy people. Now the guy with leather seats, decides, 'stuff this for a bad idea, i'm not driving on this road anymore, i'd rather drive on the roads in another country where they charge per number of wheels'. The $5 doesn't go far enough to maintain the road for the guy with cloth seats to drive on it anymore, so the whole system falls flat. A little extreme, but for the sake of simplifying it even more than beer ...This problem cannot be explained by spending alone. You are not factoring in what the drivers gained by using the toll or road. Taxes are paid by ratio of income. How can you explain this with an example where income is not factored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibim Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Why should income factor the percentage of tax paid!?And i clearly stipulated that both drivers gained the SAME benefit for driving on the road. It was teh SAME road, SAME distance. The beer story too, doesn't leave the wealthy guy with 4 beers to himself, NO, he, like everyone else in the story, only had 1. The SAME benefit. Why should someone who works his ass off in his own company and earns $20 pay 50% of that to the govt, when a bone-idle emoloyee on minimum wage and an incomplete timesheet who earns $10 not have to pay any of it for tax? (and don't bother quoting me on those figures, as they were just examples...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I think public schools are not that bad... it really is what the kid makes out of itI went to public and private and public school had brighter students in the best classes than the private schoolit really is how the kids takes advantage of the system... the parents need to show interest in the kids schooling and they should be OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonutsDemise Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I think public schools are not that bad... it really is what the kid makes out of itI went to public and private and public school had brighter students in the best classes than the private schoolit really is how the kids takes advantage of the system... the parents need to show interest in the kids schooling and they should be OKyou were white probably in a suburb not in NYC public schools above 125th street in Manhattan. I'd imagine the quality is a little different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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