ontheheel Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Like he said, those figures are kind of deceptive... We have still lost nearly a million jobs (somewhere in teh high 800s, IIRC) net since the president took office. First president since Hoover to manage that one...And Keynsian Economic Theory is just that, a theory. The last time a president implemented it fully, instead of listening to the advice of economic experts around the country (like Greenspan...) it took us more than 10 years to pay off the debt. Yep, Reagan. He was definitely a good president, but his fiscal policy was not what I expected from a Republican....It took Bush and Clinton to reverse the massive amounts of debt that he created.←greenspan has supported the tax cuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckV986 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 greenspan has supported the tax cuts...←Greenspan has also repeatedly warned that the ballooning defeciet will be detrimental to our economy if we don't cut gov't spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 i agree, but also recognize that goverment revenues are up, which is why the deficit this year fell far short of forecasts. bush recognizes a deficit problem, and i hope he sticks to his plan to cut it in half in five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromtheshadows Posted October 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/25/news/economy/greenspan/Greenspan is a politician too guys, he can be replaced.I took macro and micro. Youre not wrong, but youre not right. Saying that one side of Keynes economic theories are always applicable, and the end all and be all of economics is just close minded. What about inflation? I think we should worry about inflation right about now. The Keynes way to curb inflation is through spending cuts and tax hikes. So there is a bubble were talking about. There are many economists that believe strongly in the "invisible hand". In KE If govt spending increases then output will also increase. But if your borrowing to spend at an exponential rate (running up an ginormous deficit), its a gamble. odds against us and all sorts of other cliche's..but I wasnt even hinting at the short run economic aspect of America. Go take a HISTORY course. America will recover almost any modern day fiscal policy blunder. And we wash the blood off our hands pretty well too. I personally believe in debt neutrality, but in saying that,I didnt say a tax cut isnt healthy for the economy ( in the short run), I criticize the economic level of the tax cut and the amount. Beyond that I dont think the businesses that are outsourcing jobs deserve a tax cut etc.etc. As I said the unemployment rate is very deceptive, and in this time I believe its figures are very underinflated. I didnt say govt spending wasnt good for the economy either, but I will criticize what the govt. is spending OUR tax dollars on. I also believe this short run solution is just that. Its all good if you believe the presidents foriegn policy isnt hurting America in the LONG RUN. Thats fine, but I dont really see the issues Ive brought up being fixed by your "basic stuff". Maybe one day We'll rule the world of oil. Every reign comes to an end. Big deal short run crap. The president didnt have to lie to me or to anyone else, all he had to say was, Its time to win the war we need to wage to steal a bunch of oil. and id of voted for Kerry anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 When did I say that? What? I don't even know how to respond to that, it just doesn't make sense.I think making any tie between Sadam and Al Quaeda or 9/11 is decpetive at best.What was the point of that comment then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/25/news/economy/greenspan/Greenspan is a politician too guys, he can be replaced.I took macro and micro. Youre not wrong, but youre not right. Saying that one side of Keynes economic theories are always applicable, and the end all and be all of economics is just close minded. What about inflation? I think we should worry about inflation right about now. The Keynes way to curb inflation is through spending cuts and tax hikes. So there is a bubble were talking about. There are many economists that believe strongly in the "invisible hand". In KE If govt spending increases then output will also increase. But if your borrowing to spend at an exponential rate (running up an ginormous deficit), its a gamble. odds against us and all sorts of other cliche's..but I wasnt even hinting at the short run economic aspect of America. Go take a HISTORY course. America will recover almost any modern day fiscal policy blunder. And we wash the blood off our hands pretty well too. I personally believe in debt neutrality, but in saying that,I didnt say a tax cut isnt healthy for the economy ( in the short run), I criticize the economic level of the tax cut and the amount. Beyond that I dont think the businesses that are outsourcing jobs deserve a tax cut etc.etc. As I said the unemployment rate is very deceptive, and in this time I believe its figures are very underinflated. I didnt say govt spending wasnt good for the economy either, but I will criticize what the govt. is spending OUR tax dollars on. I also believe this short run solution is just that. Its all good if you believe the presidents foriegn policy isnt hurting America in the LONG RUN. Thats fine, but I dont really see the issues Ive brought up being fixed by your "basic stuff". Maybe one day We'll rule the world of oil. Every reign comes to an end. Big deal short run crap. The president didnt have to lie to me or to anyone else, all he had to say was, Its time to win the war we need to wage to steal a bunch of oil. and id of voted for Kerry anyways.←isn't inflation at about 2.7% right now? that's the last thing i heard, so that may be completely wrong. but if it is, isn't that pretty good? normally the cpi rises at like 3%, doesn't it? (unless jimmy carter is president) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volvo4lif3 Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Kerry is about a bad a liar as Al Gore.. Don't we all remember Gore telling america that he "Created the internet." Kerry has no solid backbone, and no one can ever get a straight answer out of the man. During the debates, the host would ask Kerry a ?. Kerry would reply with "Bush lost millions of job, and i I will cut the deficeit in half." He would answer with something not even asked. At least Bush is a man of his word, and most importantly, has kept us safe. If Kerry is elected president, i will truely fear for my life, and the lives of my loved ones. Also do you want a mandatory draft? Kerry does, Bush doesn't. Kerry also hates the military. His purple hearts are b.s. I'm sorry, but my vote goes with Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckV986 Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 What was the point of that comment then?←DUUUUHHHH. Because Bush tried to throw those two terms out there to get people on his side for the war. That was my point, and I disaprove of that, really deceptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Just so you guys know, in the middle of all of this political upheaval, Canada is preparing to invade.No joke. Our skidoos are ready and armed.And with your army now scattered around the globe, it'll be bacon, beer, and maple syrup for all of you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromtheshadows Posted October 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 isn't inflation at about 2.7% right now? that's the last thing i heard, so that may be completely wrong. but if it is, isn't that pretty good? normally the cpi rises at like 3%, doesn't it? (unless jimmy carter is president)← Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Just so you guys know, in the middle of all of this political upheaval, Canada is preparing to invade.No joke. Our skidoos are ready and armed.And with your army now scattered around the globe, it'll be bacon, beer, and maple syrup for all of you!← :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 my worries about bush: no im not happy w/ this country right now... rapists have shorter prison sentences than first time drug offenders, and yes that is a vague statement but bush's anti drug plan is alittle out of control i think. when bush first took office he did not always "show up" , he was constantly away, not that he wasnt doing his job, butr with a low approval like his it was plain stupid to not at least look like your in washington more often than not.do we really need to reinstate the draft right now? why is it that lately ive been conversing w/ so many people in the armed forces, everyone whho has seen first hand what we are doing in iraq etc is voting for kerry. im talking numbers in the 50+ range(lots of military friends) why? i think i know why... bush is far from perfect and so is kerry... one thing i hear people harp on is peoples past, i dont care what kerry, or bush did in their youth and past. smoke drugs whatever, just wait til our generation is up for offices.... haha there are very few things from candidates past taht i beelive will truly effect their office abilities. same thing when clinton did not inhale, who really cares??? you think tokin' up one day 20 years ago is going to ruin him as a person and leave him unable to make rational decisions.... haha i make MORE rational decisions now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdracr Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Just so you guys know, in the middle of all of this political upheaval, Canada is preparing to invade.No joke. Our skidoos are ready and armed.And with your army now scattered around the globe, it'll be bacon, beer, and maple syrup for all of you!LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InlineTurbo Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 my worries about bush: no im not happy w/ this country right now... rapists have shorter prison sentences than first time drug offenders, and yes that is a vague statement but bush's anti drug plan is alittle out of control i think. when bush first took office he did not always "show up" , he was constantly away, not that he wasnt doing his job, butr with a low approval like his it was plain stupid to not at least look like your in washington more often than not.Getting your info from Micheal Moore? This is a bogus claim. Bush works harder than John Kerry ever has. If you want doesn't "show up" maybe you can ask Kerry where he was for the 80% missed votes last year? That is like showing up 1 out of every 5 days and getting paid for it.do we really need to reinstate the draft right now? why is it that lately ive been conversing w/ so many people in the armed forces, everyone whho has seen first hand what we are doing in iraq etc is voting for kerry. im talking numbers in the 50+ range(lots of military friends) why? i think i know why... bush is far from perfect and so is kerry...The only people proposing a draft were DEMOCRATS and the bill got killed. Also if all the people you talk to in the millitary are voting for Kerry you don't talk to enough. The millitary is 4 to 1 for Bush and all the currently active people I've talked with wouldn't vote for Kerry if their life depended on it. This statement by you is intentionally misleading to make others think Kerry has large millitary support when he has next to NONE.one thing i hear people harp on is peoples past, i dont care what kerry, or bush did in their youth and past. smoke drugs whatever, just wait til our generation is up for offices.... hahaYou don't care that Kerry LIED on his after action reports to get medals? You don't care that he betrayed fellow troops that were still at war at the time? You don't care that out of the officers that served with Kerry only 3 support him? That is 3 people out of 19 or about 15% support which is about what he has from the millitary now.there are very few things from candidates past taht i beelive will truly effect their office abilities. same thing when clinton did not inhale, who really cares??? you think tokin' up one day 20 years ago is going to ruin him as a person and leave him unable to make rational decisions.... haha i make MORE rational decisions now.Sounds like you get your information from the DU as these are all out of the how to defend Kerry's indefensible record talking points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckV986 Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 If you want doesn't "show up" maybe you can ask Kerry where he was for the 80% missed votes last year? That is like showing up 1 out of every 5 days and getting paid for it.That's a big Bush talking point. For his career, Kerry has over 95% attendance. Find me any senator running a campaign that has had anything even resembling good attendance.This statement by you is intentionally misleading to make others think Kerry has large millitary support when he has next to NONE.Yeah, he has 4:1 support based on polls. But I've talked to plenty that plan on voting against Bush (big difference between that and for Kerry, heh...) after seeing a best-friend killed due to his poor planning.The only people proposing a draft were DEMOCRATS and the bill got killed.I agree, I'm sick of people hyping this up. I think they only introduced that bill to give Kerry some more ammo, heh.You don't care that Kerry LIED on his after action reports to get medals? You don't care that he betrayed fellow troops that were still at war at the time? You don't care that out of the officers that served with Kerry only 3 support him? That is 3 people out of 19 or about 15% support which is about what he has from the millitary now.I'm sorry, but I don't accept that he lied. Prove it. Find me a source more reliable than Fact Check: http://www.factcheck.org/article231.html Yeah, all the claims are kind of interesting, but they really dont hold water. What's wrong wtih speaking out against the war and the way it was conducted after you were there? I admire what he did. It takes balls to speak out against a war you just fought in.And with your army now scattered around the globe, it'll be bacon, beer, and maple syrup for all of you!I like all of those, so that's not really an issue ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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