jross Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 I think if they are properly trained we will all be alright. I think I'd actually feel safer if they holstered them in their belts once in the cockpit though. I don't particularly like projectile weapons on planes though, maybe they should all cary daikatanas instead.←Give 'em low-velocity rounds, maybe somethign like the wax antipersonel rounds (instead of traditional lead or steel-jacketed rounds)...by the by, wax is supposed to be "non-lethal", but if you've seen any of the riot footage from the Middle East, in the hands of a good marksman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Give 'em low-velocity rounds, maybe somethign like the wax antipersonel rounds (instead of traditional lead or steel-jacketed rounds)...by the by, wax is supposed to be "non-lethal", but if you've seen any of the riot footage from the Middle East, in the hands of a good marksman...←Most actually carry ultra-high velocity frangible ammo. Very low mass though. IMHO give em SXT ranger loads. If it actually hits the fan I feel they should have stopping power. If they kill a few innocents while saving an entire plane of people, then its collateral damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Most actually carry ultra-high velocity frangible ammo. Very low mass though. IMHO give em SXT ranger loads. If it actually hits the fan I feel they should have stopping power. If they kill a few innocents while saving an entire plane of people, then its collateral damage.←Yea, but try explaining that to the American Public. I mean, think about how hysterical the news media gets over anything (ie, Fox aka "When Kittens Attack" ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 It's not "innocent people" I'm worried about. I realize that a bullethole "supposedly" couldn't cause too much trouble, but all those movies where someone shoots and the little hole causes the plane to go down make me uncomfortable. Besides, a tripple dose of tazer action is more than enough and its more fun to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted October 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 except with a tazer you only get a couple of shots. if you miss or screw up, that's it, and you have nothing left with which to defend yourself. i don't know how big the magazine is on the issue weapons. i think it's an HK .40, but i have no clue. hollow point ammo as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 It's not "innocent people" I'm worried about. I realize that a bullethole "supposedly" couldn't cause too much trouble, but all those movies where someone shoots and the little hole causes the plane to go down make me uncomfortable. Besides, a tripple dose of tazer action is more than enough and its more fun to boot.←They do not so much at all. Even several can be dealt with via a simple change in altitude. Or better yet, look at it thi way. A lot of military planes fly unpressurized to begain with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted October 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 ever flown on a plane? remember the safety demonstration at the beginning of every flight? remember the yellow masks that drop down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsat Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 IMHO I think that everybody that boards and airplane should be allowed to carry a concealed firearm.If you are a terrorist and you know you are boarding a plane where almost everybody will have a gun and is willing to use it, what are the chances they will be able to take control of the plane.Get rid of the Metal detectors and the long waits at the airport.I think they should be looking for bombs and chemical weapons.Handling a terrorist is easy. Don't let them terrorize you. Fight them to the death. Chances are they will kill you anyway. I say die on your own terms not theirs.It should be a person's civic duty to intervine in criminal activity and should be protected by law from any wrongful death that occurs. Crimes are less likely to happen if the person committing the crime knows that there will be resistance.However, only having a couple of people with firearms and keeping them in a locked location sounds pretty Fing stupid. They now know that there are guns on the plane, the pilots have them and they are in a locked location that takes a certain amount of time to retrieve. Therfore they have X amount of time to infiltrate the cockpit to retrieve the weapon.Either everybody has them, or nobody has them.Rich, I certainly agree. If you have a concealed carry permit that should enable you to carry that firearm everywhere. However there are certain places where I think you must disclose that you have that weapon. (Government buildings, etc) but still be allowed to carry it or check it with a guard and have it returned upon departure. Because really the reason for having it is to protect yourself while walking from the building to your car or home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 IMHO I think that everybody that boards and airplane should be allowed to carry a concealed firearm.You scare me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay13 Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 You scare me.Depending on the state you are in, you never know who's carring and neither do the bad guys. Just the way it's suppose to be. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Okay, but the bad guys can't carry at all, so no one has to worry about carrying. Kind of like in Canada - people don't feel the need for guns so much because its INCREDIBLY unlikely that they are going to encounter one since they can't be legally owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay13 Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Can't use other countries, they don't have the second amendment, they have a different culture. For instance, thieves in Italy have a code of honor, if you catch them they run, they don't put a gun to your head and continue with what they were doing. Not so in the USA. Another case and point saying bad guys can't have guns means nothing at all. D.C. has a gun ban, and it doesn't work. All the good guys can't have them because of D.C. law but the bad guys don't care about the law and guess what, lots of crime. But let a bad guy know the person on the other side of the door or sitting in their car could have a gun and the playing field is changed and often moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 I'm saying that right now being in on an airplane is like being in another country in that aspect, and I like it and think its the best way - and generally I don't think I've ever been on a plane with anyone who had a gun on them, good or bad. It's easier to hide a gun in DC from the cops than it is in your suitcase from an x-ray machine and metal detector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted October 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 IMHO I think that everybody that boards and airplane should be allowed to carry a concealed firearm.If you are a terrorist and you know you are boarding a plane where almost everybody will have a gun and is willing to use it, what are the chances they will be able to take control of the plane.Get rid of the Metal detectors and the long waits at the airport.I think they should be looking for bombs and chemical weapons.Handling a terrorist is easy. Don't let them terrorize you. Fight them to the death. Chances are they will kill you anyway. I say die on your own terms not theirs.It should be a person's civic duty to intervine in criminal activity and should be protected by law from any wrongful death that occurs. Crimes are less likely to happen if the person committing the crime knows that there will be resistance.However, only having a couple of people with firearms and keeping them in a locked location sounds pretty Fing stupid. They now know that there are guns on the plane, the pilots have them and they are in a locked location that takes a certain amount of time to retrieve. Therfore they have X amount of time to infiltrate the cockpit to retrieve the weapon.Either everybody has them, or nobody has them.Rich, I certainly agree. If you have a concealed carry permit that should enable you to carry that firearm everywhere. However there are certain places where I think you must disclose that you have that weapon. (Government buildings, etc) but still be allowed to carry it or check it with a guard and have it returned upon departure. Because really the reason for having it is to protect yourself while walking from the building to your car or home.←major sheepdog points, bro :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay13 Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 I know what your saying, just having fun. The bad guys on the plane don't want a gun, they want the plane (missle). The problem isn't going through grandma's suit case, or all those nail cliper, or pocket knives, it's the terrorists and their want for a missle. Protect the missle and keep the terrorist off and things would be pretty much taken care of. Ya I have a good idea what terrorist look like, (at least the last 19 that died in service) I just don't know if they are one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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