ErikS Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i20/20b00501.htm Nature versus nurture, genes or environment, taking out the obvious extremes ... what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Burnsy Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 No offense to you sir. But I know at least in my state the public school system could be better. Were you the one who posted about the 'rubber room'?I agree today's public schools are too much of a push over. I do think I would have learned more by going to private school.Part of the reason why I think the public schools aren't great is due to the lack of discipline parents give their kids. Kids aren't gonna fuck around if they get smacked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 So your parents can't read either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 So your parents can't read either?great way to start out a thread that no one has replied to.... :arob: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 So your parents can't read either? :lol: Apparently not. Solely from my opinion, I disagree with the article. For a whole mess of reasons. Yep, thats right, I just disagreed with a professionally written and researched article with my own made up opinion. You see where our future is going? From my experiences, it has everything to do with the way they were raised, and the lack of parenting. I've seen good examples of families who were raised right, who went on to have kids that became total screw ups, or where the first born was raised right and they just gave up on the second, or gave them special treatment. And as we all spiral down in a sinking fail boat, some of this new generation think its acceptable to pull bullshit like protecting their friends because of the bond between them rather than telling them to act more responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Solely from my opinion, I disagree with the article. For a whole mess of reasons. Yep, thats right, I just disagreed with a professionally written and researched article with my own made up opinion. You see where our future is going?Its just interesting that's all. We thought Watson and Skinner had it right with behaviorism and infants as a tabula rasa.Environment shapes behavior, no doubt, it just seems we are putting more emphasis on it then it is due.Things we beileved were a result of us being products of our environmnet (alcoholism, divorce, innate intelligence) we are now learning are built into our genetic make-up inherited from our parents.The summary used to be our inherited traits predisposed us to turn out a certain way, and our environment either reinforced these predispositions, or caused them to recess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 2 concerned parents makes a difference. Economics( environment) is huge deal. Kids ape parents behavior and influence decision making. I have 2 teen age sons with very mild learning issues. One is a sophomore in college now, and the other is graduating from H.S. It took a lot of time, school meetings, extra work at home and a serious relationship with doctors, school counselors, administrators, and teachers. Also a lot of time on the ball fields coaching them and other kids as well. We are a 2 income family, and both of us can put in some serious hours. My kids arnt perfect, they have experimented and got caught, and punished. But they know the difference between right and wrong, that hard work is needed to be good at anything, and nothing is free. Except my love and time. Kids are successful for many reasons but parental involvement and diligence is the main ingredient in our house. If you bring 'em into the world you have an obligation to them and society to work hard at it. It aint easy. And many folks cop out. If you have an environment were there are books, learning, and experimentation, the child will be better prepared to understand and deal with problems and hardships. And become more independent and skilled in the process. I know who their friends are, mostly, their friends parents, and were they are. Plus the trust I give them gets me communication.My 10 cents, for what it's worth. Every situation is unique, but strong parents/family makes the difference to me. Erik, when they took the kids out of rotten schools in DC, and gave them vouchers for private schools, the kids flourished, the parents became more involved, and kids who had struggled before pulled them selves up. They are not doomed by their environment. They are doomed by a short sighted Congress in bed with the public teachers unions. I had to get my political jab in there somewhere!! So turn off the TV, go play catch with your kid and read him/her a book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal3thousand Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 I also question the metrics which they used to measure these "similarities". They didn' t mention precisely how they measure differences and similarities between. What similarities? Physical, emotional, intellectual similiarties? Seemed like they were purposefully vague in that section.Also with the adoption thing, no indications to the differences in how old a kid was when adopted. That plays a huge difference. The most formative years of a childs life are early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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