cbon Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 What is she a Dr of? lol, DRs do no work... they just listen and write prescriptions Now, that's just 'ignernt'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 I've watched a couple videos of people from the UK and Canada, talking about their health care system. They make fun of Americans because we seem to be the only ones that think their system "doesn't work." A staggering 80%+ of Brits and Canadians like their system the way it is, and they make fun of us because we know NOTHING about it, but we (or really, Republicans) still try to make it sound bad and put words in the mouths of the people who actually know how well it works. But hey...ignoring facts is COOL! Let's keep doing that! After all, that got Bush in office. Twice. I guess you missed the video of Canadians going to the USA for prescriptions and Dr's visits. Or the crazy ass lines to get help. If there is free universal health-care... millions and millions of people are going to stop paying for insurance through their employer and ... you think that is going to be a good thing? haha, geez... watch more YouTube videos. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 This debate is just the difference between how dem's and rep's handle public problems. Dem's use social programs and rep's use the private sector. I'm for the latter. I would like to see them lift some of the regulations regarding cross state insurance and also change some of the malpractice laws which are really what is killing the profit and is what is hiking up the price of medical bills I agree. The ability to shop across state lines is in this current bill, however there are ZERO incentives to promote it with in the bill. This bill is a massive funnel for the public option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted November 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Where's the facts? Brits and Canadians don't know any better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Where's the facts? Brits and Canadians don't know any better. :lol: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan850-t5 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Capitalism + Healthcare = I don't want people trying to get rich dealing with "life or death" situations. Would you rather have the gov't decide ''life or death'' situations? With a public option there is no incentive to be efficient or make strides to make things better. If you have a constant cash flow what is the point in trying to create more revenue stream? The point of the business to make money is taken out of the equation... The whole debate is over what the standard level of health should be. You can think of it like a graph of all the different health level from healthy to almost death. Where should that line be drawn in terms of the standard of health that should be given to people? I agree that the basic health needs of people should be taken care of because of the prosperity we have in our country but beyond that you should have to pay for healthcare. Healthcare is not a 'right' its a privilege. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted November 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Whats Canadia got, 30 million people? GB has 61 million, I just checked. We have over 300 million, with many more dense population centers. Thats 5-10 times the head aches and chances for fraud, never mind the logistics and accounting, auditing, yadda, yadda... "Comparer des pommes avec des oranges" 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Also when has the goverment run anything and not fucked it up :lol: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave 54 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 my sister has it. and i still don't have it. shocker My wife and 3 kids had it and I never got it, probably cause I eats me spinach . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 yeah no big deal :rolleyes: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanky Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brick-a-brac Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Would you rather have the gov't decide ''life or death'' situations? With a public option there is no incentive to be efficient or make strides to make things better. If you have a constant cash flow what is the point in trying to create more revenue stream? The point of the business to make money is taken out of the equation... The whole debate is over what the standard level of health should be. You can think of it like a graph of all the different health level from healthy to almost death. Where should that line be drawn in terms of the standard of health that should be given to people? I agree that the basic health needs of people should be taken care of because of the prosperity we have in our country but beyond that you should have to pay for healthcare. Healthcare is not a 'right' its a privilege. Ah, the old "right versus privilege" argument. It sounds as though many of you would rather have a private insurance company decide just how much health you are "privileged" to enjoy? Very interesting. Perhaps we should allow the privatization of FEMA, so that when the next huge disaster hits and your home is leveled, someone whose company's profits depend on NOT paying out claims can tell you how much rebuilding you are privileged to receive. Here in the U.S., we will fight to the death for the "right" to own guns, but apparently we insist that being healthy enough to fire them is a privilege. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Hollywood sucks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Then lets get down to fines for overweight folks, smokers, drinkers, etc. I can get into a ton of shity what would be happening if govt didn't steal so much in taxes. Lets start with the extra cash I would have on hand to donate to private organizations that could provide help to those less fortunate, cuz God knows the Fed is great at that. Or that only one of us would have to work and thus strangers would not have to daycare my kids. And they'd be better citizens, causing less social havoc, requiring fewer cops and judges and prosecutors, thus lessening the Fed budget even more. FEMA? You still send your mail USPS, and they are $1 billion in the red from last year alone. LBJ and his war on poverty was a joke. It killed the African-American family structure and made a whole segment of the population slaves to govt handouts. Shall I go on? I got a whole big brain full of shit you never thought of. Stop taxing business to death to cover 70 yrs of failed social programs, so they could provide decent care as a perk. Let insurance companies compete across state lines, lowering prices. Get some goddam tort reform going so unnecessary procedures arn't prescribed to cover a Dr's ass. And the patient gets a ton of cash from that litigation, cuz lawyers work cheap. Want some more? How about Social Security? I would be a rich motherfucker if I had taken all my SS taxes and invested them myself, even with the last years "crisis". No need to put me in a home or make decision on whether I get treatment or not, cuz I'd pay for what ever I wanted myself. And I'd retire earlier, creating a job slot for some up and coming youngster with a family. I'm just getting started, so pull my finger if you want more. Damn right Hollywood sucks. SHWING!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brick-a-brac Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Then lets get down to fines for overweight folks, smokers, drinkers, etc. I can get into a ton of shity what would be happening if govt didn't steal so much in taxes. Lets start with the extra cash I would have on hand to donate to private organizations that could provide help to those less fortunate, cuz God knows the Fed is great at that. Or that only one of us would have to work and thus strangers would not have to daycare my kids. And they'd be better citizens, causing less social havoc, requiring fewer cops and judges and prosecutors, thus lessening the Fed budget even more. FEMA? You still send your mail USPS, and they are $1 billion in the red from last year alone. LBJ and his war on poverty was a joke. It killed the African-American family structure and made a whole segment of the population slaves to govt handouts. Shall I go on? I got a whole big brain full of shit you never thought of. Stop taxing business to death to cover 70 yrs of failed social programs, so they could provide decent care as a perk. Let insurance companies compete across state lines, lowering prices. Get some goddam tort reform going so unnecessary procedures arn't prescribed to cover a Dr's ass. And the patient gets a ton of cash from that litigation, cuz lawyers work cheap. Want some more? How about Social Security? I would be a rich motherfucker if I had taken all my SS taxes and invested them myself, even with the last years "crisis". No need to put me in a home or make decision on whether I get treatment or not, cuz I'd pay for what ever I wanted myself. And I'd retire earlier, creating a job slot for some up and coming youngster with a family. I'm just getting started, so pull my finger if you want more. Damn right Hollywood sucks. SHWING!! Have you ever been told by an insurance company that you wouldn't be covered for a pre-existing condition? I have. Do you know what it is to live in a place where health care is provided to all citizens? I do. Perhaps if everyone ate healthy foods, didn't smoke, worked less and therefore did not live in a constant state of stress and sleep deprivation, we would all be sharp, self-sufficient types who invest their money intelligently and can live a life that is not dependent on the notion that government is the last resort for everything. Of course, banks and investment firms would also regulate themselves, manufacturers and heavy industries would not pollute, no company would send jobs to third world countries in order to maximize profits, and we would all gather together and sing "Kumbaya". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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