Is This A Glimps Of Future Healthcare

[Smithwicks]

An dis is how we do it...

"Obamacare is modeled after a Massachusetts program requiring residents to buy health insurance. Last week, six community hospitals sued the state for failing to adequately reimburse them for care given to patients insured by the government. Payments were "so low they do not cover the cost of medical care," reported The Boston Globe. The hospitals have eaten more than $100 million in expenses since 2006, resulting in "hundreds of layoffs and millions of dollars in cost cuts." The Massachusetts model, then, was many times more expensive than projected, significantly worsened the state's budget crisis, shortchanged hospitals and doctors, reduced the availability and raised the cost of care, and increased unemployment. Now President Obama and congressional Democrats want to inflict this on the rest of America. No thanks."

Rocking govt run programs allll over!

yeah but the wonderful 'engineers' in Washington will be running the show if the health care bill passes and they will do no wrong. :rolleyes:

[brick-a-brac]

An dis is how we do it...

"Obamacare is modeled after a Massachusetts program requiring residents to buy health insurance. Last week, six community hospitals sued the state for failing to adequately reimburse them for care given to patients insured by the government. Payments were "so low they do not cover the cost of medical care," reported The Boston Globe. The hospitals have eaten more than $100 million in expenses since 2006, resulting in "hundreds of layoffs and millions of dollars in cost cuts." The Massachusetts model, then, was many times more expensive than projected, significantly worsened the state's budget crisis, shortchanged hospitals and doctors, reduced the availability and raised the cost of care, and increased unemployment. Now President Obama and congressional Democrats want to inflict this on the rest of America. No thanks."

Rocking govt run programs allll over!

It is worth noting that the Mass program, which I will not defend, was signed into law under presumptive 2012 GOP contender, Mitt Romney ... ;)

[Pops Racer]

Don't care. I'm not defending any Republican in any of my posts, they just happen to have a philosophy closer to mine than the Dems. Barely. If it's big and it's Govt, it will hurt us all and surely fail.

Don't you get it? I'm not about partisanship, I think both major parties suck and are about power and control not about liberty, free choice, and personal responsibility.

I'm a Constitutionalist, with no affiliation to anything but that document. Adherence to that piece of paper aned we would be out of this mess damn fast.

Stop taxing business thats what grows employment, not govt largess.

Missed you at Reins. B)

[7 VII 7]

Bye Bye AAA Rating... what a fuck head

[Pops Racer]

CT tax receipts are in the shitter, despite a new tax on millionaires.Why? Because they create the jobs, and are laying off to cover tax increases, if not just pulling up stakes and moving their businesses to more favorable environments.

They just don't get it. Govt can't create wealth, it can only destroy it. But the Public sector jobs, i.e state employees etc. are getting raises and fantastic bennies. So we should all get jobs working for the govt. right?

[7 VII 7]

CT tax receipts are in the shitter, despite a new tax on millionaires.Why? Because they create the jobs, and are laying off to cover tax increases, if not just pulling up stakes and moving their businesses to more favorable environments.

They just don't get it. Govt can't create wealth, it can only destroy it. But the Public sector jobs, i.e state employees etc. are getting raises and fantastic bennies. So we should all get jobs working for the govt. right?

that is his plan

[gdizzle]

bye bye public option.

[T-5Bandit]

It comes down the simple fact of why should I have to pay for something for someone else if they are not willing to work for it .

Damn Commys

So you mean similar to how others pay for those umemployment benefits you have (or had) been sponging for awhile.... while you have been making money under the table selling Volvo parts. :rolleyes:

[Pops Racer]

Employers pay into that fund, per employee. They make money off the employee, then pay a fee to unemployment. I'm sure income tax goes into it some how also.

To get unemployment insurance which is what it is, you have had to have actually had a steady job, for a minimum term. This means paying a premium on an insurance policy, and like any insurance many pay in and few get bennies.If you never worked you never get paid insurance benefit, which it is. Not a general fund lay out for nontaxpaying, nonworkers.

By the way :

During 2006, Tax Foundation economists estimate that roughly 43.4 million tax returns, representing 91 million individuals, will face a zero or negative tax liability. That's out of a total of 136 million federal tax returns that will be filed. Adding to this figure the 15 million households and individuals who file no tax return at all, roughly 121 million Americans—or 41 percent of the U.S. population—will be completely outside the federal income tax system in 2006.1 This total includes those who pay no tax, and those who pay some tax upfront and are later refunded the full amount of the tax paid or more.

Prolly higher now, and negative tax returns mean, I think ,they got rebates without paying in.

[T-5Bandit]

Employers pay into that fund, per employee. They make money off the employee, then pay a fee to unemployment. I'm sure income tax goes into it some how also.

To get unemployment insurance which is what it is, you have had to have actually had a steady job, for a minimum term. If you never worked you never get paid insurance benefit, which it is. Not a general fund lay out for nontaxpaying, nonworkers. By the way :

During 2006, Tax Foundation economists estimate that roughly 43.4 million tax returns, representing 91 million individuals, will face a zero or negative tax liability. That's out of a total of 136 million federal tax returns that will be filed. Adding to this figure the 15 million households and individuals who file no tax return at all, roughly 121 million Americans—or 41 percent of the U.S. population—will be completely outside the federal income tax system in 2006.1 This total includes those who pay no tax, and those who pay some tax upfront and are later refunded the full amount of the tax paid or more.

I understand how the unemployment benefits work. They are partially funded by employers, as well as through income taxes. I am not sure how unemployment benefits work state-to-state, however in California it's based on if you were working going back a specific quarter depending on when you filed. There are many people who will work for short periods of time, then stop working and collect, and then cycle back through it.

Regardless, the point in my comment was towards the irony in what Justin said. There is nothing wrong with using employment benefits as a transition between jobs in order to survive, or if something is preventing you from being gainfully employed. It is another to sponge those benefits until they have ran out and take extensions, while making money under the table.....when one has the ability to find work and pay taxes like most of us do. In relation to his comment, it is no different - others are having to pay for something for someone else but he is (was) not willing to work for it, but then is also profiting from it.

[Pops Racer]

CT is the same,m may be a federal standard. I understand your train of thought. Just threw a brief explanation, it shouldn't be confused with welfare, WIC or other payment.

In a perfect world it should be self supporting, but we know it gets raided to pay for pork 'n stuff.

In a perfect world we would have more cash in our pockets from lower taxes and fees, so a nest egg for an emergency could be built, or plan B, economy is running so well you would not be in between jobs long enough to put your situation in jeopardy.

Or even better, plan C, your kids get a good job and you sponge off of them! :lol:

Yeah, dats wat I'm talking bout, das right!

[mrtl321]

:lol:

[7 VII 7]

So you mean similar to how others pay for those umemployment benefits you have (or had) been sponging for awhile.... while you have been making money under the table selling Volvo parts.

bravo!

[gdizzle]

So you mean similar to how others pay for those umemployment benefits you have (or had) been sponging for awhile.... while you have been making money under the table selling Volvo parts.

:tup:

[Pops Racer]

I'm selling a bumper valance tomorrow, yeah I am.

OK, so I have an ironic story, I gotta be kinda vague to protect my self but It goes like this:

I have client, 2 African American Drs. Nice people, work hard, nice big house. They are big Obama supporters, I mean like the stairway walls must have 20 pics, campaign posters, Text of speeches he's given, I mean almost spooky in it's shrine like feel. I'm doing my thing and she's in her office, 30ft away having a fight on the phone about medication costs, availability, paperwork and regs to get it, how much she can charge vs how mush it costs to get the shit.

The govt says she can only make Y percent. FDA regs and transportation and handling paperwork, plus storage and dispensing costs her 5 x Y! And she walks out looks at me and starts in about wading thru the bureaucracy, regulations and fees!! :lol:

I can't wait till after this thing goes down and talk with her then! Doctors are capitalists too.