lookforjoe Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 It might be buried in VADIS somewhere, I'll have a look for the info later. Edit, this was printed out for my '02 B5234T3, so I'm not sure what years this applies to, but it seems that the 2.5L engine uses the same intake cam 2.4L T2, which is the LPT engine, correct? It is different from the 2.3L HPT, despite being the same specified lift, probably due to the addition of VVT. No idea on duration figures.. Intake Exhaust Engine Lift PN Lift PN B5204Tx (excl T4) 8.40 9207943 9.05 9207944 B5204T4 8.15 9207941 B5234Tx 8.40 9207943 9.05 9207944 B5244Tx (excl T2&3) 8.40 9207942 9.05 9207944 B5244T2 8.40 9497231 B5244T3 8.45 9497823 9.05 9497822 B5254Tx 8.40 9207942 9.05 9207944 edit 2, fixed a mistake in the table. Those PN's for B5254 are incorrect - I listed the #'s above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Interesting, they are different. '02 is before the 2.5L R engine, but I would imagine they updated the document on VADIS accordingly when it was released. I wonder if the PNs have been updated since then. Edit: aha, that document doesn't include the B5254T4 in it's "B5254Tx" classification, since it was made before the engine existed. I agree with your part numbers, but as you mentioned, can't find the lift of the cams. Intake Exhaust Engine Lift PN Lift PN B5204Tx (excl T4) 8.40 9207943 9.05 9207944 B5204T4 8.15 9207941 B5234Tx 8.40 9207943 9.05 9207944 B5244Tx (excl T2&3) 8.40 9207942 9.05 9207944 B5244T2 8.40 9497231 B5244T3 8.45 9497823 9.05 9497822 B5254Tx (excl T4) 8.40 9207942 9.05 9207944 B5254T4 30637410 8642712 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Interesting, they are different. '02 is before the 2.5L R engine, but I would imagine they updated the document on VADIS accordingly when it was released. I wonder if the PNs have been updated since then. Edit: aha, that document doesn't include the B5254T4 in it's "B5254Tx" classification, since it was made before the engine existed. I agree with your part numbers, but as you mentioned, can't find the lift of the cams. I started a thread on TB - they may know of a Swedish forum that would have such info - can't find anything in a regular internet search at all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 The only ones I have been able to turn up so far are the ones we know, the NA and turbo cams for the old whiteblocks, no VVT: NA Intake cam: 250º, 8.45 mm Exhaust cam: 252.6º, 8.45 mm Turbo Intake cam: 242º, 7.90 mm Exhaust cam: 243.5º, 7.90 mm I really want to see how the addition of VVT changes those numbers. We know volvo decided they could get away with more lift, I wouldn't be surprised if they also added a bit of duration as well, since they aren't as constrained by the amount of overlap set into the cams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 The only ones I have been able to turn up so far are the ones we know, the NA and turbo cams for the old whiteblocks, no VVT: I really want to see how the addition of VVT changes those numbers. We know volvo decided they could get away with more lift, I wouldn't be surprised if they also added a bit of duration as well, since they aren't as constrained by the amount of overlap set into the cams. If nothing turns up, I'll get the machine shop to measure them, at least we'll know what the dual VVT lift will be. He's going to look at the valves & see if there's any point to adding any backcut on the valve itself, in addition to the normal 3 angle seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 And I can measure mine as well. I might have the inspection equipment at work to find out what we need to know. Robbie should be sending me a 2005 LPT dual VVT head, and we can see if that's any different as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 And I can measure mine as well. I might have the inspection equipment at work to find out what we need to know. Robbie should be sending me a 2005 LPT dual VVT head, and we can see if that's any different as well.. NicE!!!! No clue how many miles are on the one I'm getting, does Robbie know history on this one? That table still needs an edit - the B5254T2 has a different intake # Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizzard_al Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 NicE!!!! No clue how many miles are on the one I'm getting, does Robbie know history on this one? That table still needs an edit - the B5254T2 has a different intake # Here are the cam specifications from VIDA 2010A. They are the same as on my VADIS 2005A. I think the other table was wrong for the B5254T2 intake cam. If I were you, I'd search for the B5244T3 intake cam, it has 8.45 mm lift, vs 8.40mm lift for the other cams. And if you really want to know what engine is in which car, so that you can figure out the VIN numbers, the horsepower, etc, here is a table I created from spending too many hours in VADIS and online to volvo (use: http://apps.volvocars.us/ownersdocs/2001/2001_VIN-VIC/vin2001.html and http://apps.volvocars.us/ownersdocs/2001/2001_VIN-VIC/vic2001.html but change the year in the url to get information about most years. I don't think I've posted this before, but if I have, you can let me know and I'll delete this table. Volvo Engines body style 4th digit YV1K 960 YV1L 850/S70/V70 YV1V S40 YV1N C70 YV1R S60 YV1S V70 YV1T S80 5th digit S 4 doors T 4 doors AWD H 4 doors AWD (S60R) W 5 doors V 5 doors AWD J 5 doors AWD (V70R) Z 5 doors AWD XC B5234T 225hp/300Nm M4.3 TD04-15G 850 turbo aut/man B5234T1 222hp/320NM M4.3 TD04-15G 850 T5 aut B5234T3 240hp/330Nm M4.4 TD04-16T X70 T5 aut/man B5234T3 250hp/330Nm ME7/7.01 TD04-16T S60/V70N T5 aut/man B5234T4 250hp/350Nm M4.3 TD04-16T 850R man B5234T4 250hp/350Nm M4.4 TD04-18T S/V70RFWD/V70R AWD man B5234T5 240hjp/330Nm M4.3 TD04-15G 850 T-5R man B5234T5 240hp/300Nm M4.4 TD04-16T 850 T-5R/850R aut B5234T6 240hp/310Nm M4.4 TD04-16T V70R AWD aut B5234T8 250hp/310Nm ME7 TD04-18T V70R AWD aut B5234T9 245hp/330Nm ME7 TD04-16T C70 T5 aut/man B5244T 193hp/270Nm ME7 TD04-13G X70 2.4T/AWD aut/man B5244T2 261hp/350Nm ME7 TD04-19T V70R AWD aut B5244T3 200hp/285Nm ME7 TD04-13T S60/V70N/S802.4T AWD aut/man B5244T5 260hp/350Nm ME7.01 KKK K24 S60/V70N T5 aut/man B5254T 193hp/270Nm M4.4 TD04-13G 850 AWD/X70 2.5 T/AWD aut/man B5254T2 210hp/320Nm ME7.01 TD04-14T S60/V70N/S80/XC90 2.5T/AWD aut/man B5254T3 218hp/320Nm ME9 KKK S40N/V50 T5/T5 AWD aut/man B5254T4 300hp/350Nm ME7.01 KKK K24 S60R/V70R 04-05 aut B5254T4 300hp/400Nm ME7.01 KKK K24 S60R/V70R 04-05 man B5254T4 300hp/400Nm ME7.01 KKK K24 S60R/V70R 06-07 aut/man B5254T6 200hp/300Nm ME9 KKK S80 aut/man B6284T 272hp/380Nm ME7 TD03/8G T80 T6 aut B6294T 272hp/380Nm ME7.01 TD03/8G S80/XC90 aut B5234T1 1997 850 T5 222 hp B5234T3 1998-2000 T5 236 hp, 2001-02 C70 T5 236 hp, 2001-03 S60/V70 T5 247 hp B5234T4 1997 850R 250 hp B5234T5 1997 850 T5R 240 hp B5234T6 1998 V70R 236 hp B5234T8 1998-99 V70R 250 hp B5234T9 2003-04 C70 HPT 246/242 hp B5244T 2001-02 C70 LPT 190 hp B5244T2 2000 V70R 261 hp B5244T3 2001-02 LPT 197 hp B5244T5 2005-06 HPT 256/257 hp Dual VVT B5244T7 2003-04 C70 LPT 200/197 hp B5254T 1997-00 LPT 190 hp B5254T2 2003- LPT 208 hp Dual VVT B5254T3 2004- S40/V50 T5 218 hp B5254T4 2004-07 S60R/V70R 300 hp Dual VVT YV1xx50 B5234T4 1997 only 850 R 250 hp (where?) YV1xx51 B5252S Canada only? YV1LT52 B5234T6 1998 Only V70R HPT 236 hp/AWD YV1LS52 B5234T3 1998 Only S-70 T5 HPT 236 hp YV1RH52 B5254T4 2004- S60R 300 hp YV1RJ52 B5254T4 2004- V70R 300 hp YV1xx53 B5234T3 1999-2000 HPT 236 hp YV1Rx53 B5234T3 2001-2003 HPT S60/V70 T5 247 hp YV1Nx53 B5234T3 2001-2002 HPT C70 236 hp YV1Rx54 B5244T5 2005-2006 HPT S60/V70 T5 256/257 hp (with KKK turbo) YV1xx55 B5254FS 1997-1999 168 hp YV1xx55 B5254S Denso ? YV1xx56 B5254T 1997 850 AWD (Canada) YV1Sx56 B5254T 1997-2000 LPT 850/S70 190 HP YV1Nx56 B5244T 2001-2002 C70 lpt 190 HP YV1LS57 B5234T 1995-97 850 YV1LS57 B5234T1 1997 only 850 T-5 222 hp YV1LS58 B5234T5 1995-7 850 1997 850R 240 hp YV1xx58 B5244T3 2001-2003 LPT S60/V70/V70XC FWD or AWD 197 hp YV1xx59 B5254T2 2003- 2.5T LPT S60/V70, S80, XC70/90 FWD and AWD 208 hp YV1LV60 B5244T2 2000 only V70R HPT 261 hp (with TD04-19T turbo) YV1LV60 B5234T8 1999-2000 only 265 hp (V70R with Td04-18T turbo) YV1xx61 B5244S 2003- S60/V70 2.4 168 hp YV1xx62 B5234T3 1999 only 247 hp (V70R with Td04-16T turbo?) YV1Nx62 B5234T9 2003-2004 C70 HPT 246/242 hp YV1Nx63 B5244T7 2003-2004 only C70 lpt 200/197 hp YV1xx64 B5244S6 2003 S60/V70 FWD 168 hp 2004- S60/V70 FWD 165 hp YV1xx65 B5244S2 ? YV1xx68 B5254T3 2004- S40 T5 FWD/AWD 218 hp Engine Portion of VIN numbers, by year, from 1995 to 2005. Lifted almost totally from the above 2 Volvo sites, with some extrapolation needed on my part. 1995 850 only 51 = B5252S 10 Valve 5 cyl 55 = B5254S 20 valve 5 cyl 57 = B5234T 20 valve 5 cyl turbo 58 = B5234T5 20 valve 5 cyl turbo 1996 850 only 50 = B5234T4 20 valve 5 cyl turbo 51 = B5252S 10 Valve 5 cyl 55 = B5254S 20 valve 5 cyl 57 = B5234T 20 valve 5 cyl turbo 58 = B5234T5 20 valve 5 cyl turbo 1997 850 only 50 = B5234T4 20-Valve 5 cyl Turbo (250 hp "R") 55 = B5254S 20-valve 5 cyl (168 hp) 56 = B5254T 20-valve 5 cyl (190 hp GLT) 57 = B5234T1 20-valve 5 cyl Turbo (222 hp T5) 58 = B5234T5 20-valve 5 cyl Turbo (240 hp "R") 1998 S/V/C 70 52 = B5234T6 20-Valve 5 cyl Turbo (236 hp/AWD) 52 = B5234T3 20-Valve 5 cyl Turbo (236 hp) 55 = B5254S 20-valve 5 cyl (168 hp) 56 = B5254T 20-valve 5 cyl (190 hp GLT, AWDN AWDA, AWXC) 1999 S/V/C 70 50 = B5234T4 20 valve 52 = B5234T6 20 valve 5-cyl (236 hp?) 53 = B5234T3 20-valve 5-cylinder (236hp) 55 = B5254S 20-valve 5-cylinder (162hp) 56 = B5254T 20-valve 5-cylinder (190hp) 60 = B5234T8 20 valve 5 cyl Turbo (250 hp/AWD only) 61 = B5254S 5-cylinder (168hp) VVT on intake 62 = B5234T3 20-valve 5-cylinder (247hp) 2000 start of solid lifters? S/V/C 70, S80 53 = B5234T3 5-cylinder (236hp) 56 = B5244T 5-cylinder (190 hp) 60 = B5244T2 5-cylinder HPT R ( V70R 261hp) 61 = B5254S 5-cylinder (168hp) VVT on intake 2001 S60/V70/S80 53 = B5234T3 5-cylinder (247 hp) - S60/V70 T5) 53 = B5234T3 5-cylinder (236 hp) - C70 HPT) 56 = B5244T 5-cylinder (190 hp) - C70 LPT) 58 = B5244T3 5-cylinder (197 hp) - V70 2.4T, V70XC AWD) 58 = B5244T3 5-cylinder (197 hp) - S60 2.4T) 61 = B5254S 5-cylinder (168hp) VVT on intake 2002 S60/V70/S80 53 = B5234T3 5-cylinder (247 hp) - S60/V70 T5) 53 = B5234T3 5-cylinder (236 hp) - C70 HT Coupe C70 HT CV) 56 = B5244T 5-cylinder (190 hp) - C70 LT CV) 58 = B5244T3 5-cylinder (197 hp) - V70 2.4T, V70 AWD, V70XC AWD) 58 = B5244T3 5-cylinder (197 hp) - S60 2.4T, S60 AWD) 61 = B5254S 5-cylinder (168hp) VVT on intake 2003 S60/V70/S80/XC90 53 = B5234T3 5-cylinder (247 hp) - S60/V70 T5 58 = B5244T3 5-cylinder (197 hp) - V70 2.4T, V70 AWD, V70XC AWD dual VVT 58 = B5244T3 5-cylinder (197 hp) - S60 2.4T, S60 AWD dual VVT 59 = B5254T2 5-cylinder (208 hp) - XC 90 AWD, S60/V70 AWD dual VVT 61 = B5244S 5-cylinder (168 hp) - V70 2.4 \ VVT on intake 61 = B5244S 5-cylinder (168 hp) - S60 2.4 / 62 = B5234T9 5-cylinder (246 hp) - C70 HT CV 63 = B5244T7 5-cylinder (200 hp) - C70 LT CV 64 = B5244S6 5-cylinder (168 hp) - V70 2.4 \ dual VVT? 64 = B5244S6 5-cylinder (168 hp) - S60 2.4 / 2004 S40/S60/V70/S80/XC90 38 = B5244S4 5-cylinder / Naturally Aspirated (168 hp) - S40 2.4i 52 = B5254T3 5-cylinder / Turbo (300 hp) - S60/V70 R dual VVT 53 = B5234T3 5-cylinder (247 hp) - S60/V70 T5 VVT exhaust only 59 = B5254T2 5-cylinder / Turbo (208 hp) - S80 2.5T, S80 AWD S60/V70 FWD/AWD, XC70 AWD, XC90 FWD/AWD dual VVT 61 = B5244S 5-cylinder / Naturally Aspirated (168 hp) - S60/V70 2.4 VVT on intake 62 =B5234T9 5-cylinder / Turbo (242 hp) - C70 HT CV 63 = B5244T7 5-cylinder / Turbo (197 hp) - C70 LT CV 64 = B5244S6 5-cylinder / Naturally Aspirated (165 hp) - S60/V70 2.4 dual VVT 68 = B5254T3 5-cylinder / Turbo (218 hp) - S40 T5 2005 S40/S60/V70/S80/XC90 38 = B5244S4 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/149 in3 / Naturally Aspirated / 168 hp S40/V50 2.4i 39 = B5244S7 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/149 in3 / Naturally Aspirated / 168 hp S40/V50 2.4i 52 = B5254T4 5-cyl./ 2.5 Ltr/154 in3 / Turbo / 300 hp S60/V70 R AWD dual VVT 54 = B5244T5 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/147 in3 / Turbo / 256 hp S60/V70 T5 dual VVT 59 = B5254T2 5-cyl./ 2.5 Ltr/154 in3 /Turbo / 208 hp S80/S60/V70/XC90 2.5T FWD/AWD, XC70 AWD dual VVT 61 = B5244S 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/149 in3 / Naturally Aspirated / 168 hp S60/V70 2.4 VVT on intake 64 = B5244S6 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/149 in3 / Naturally Aspirated / 165 hp S60/V70 2.4 dual VVT 68 = B5254T3 5-cyl./ 2.5 Ltr/154 in3 / Turbo / 218 hp S40/V50 T5 FWD/AWD dual vVT? 2006 S40/S60/V70/S80/XC90 38 = B5244S4 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/149 in3 / Naturally Aspirated / 168 hp S40/V50 2.4i FWD 39 = B5244S7 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/149 in3 / Naturally Aspirated / 168 hp S40/V50 2.4i FWD 52 = B5254T4 5-cyl./ 2.5 Ltr/154 in3 / Turbo / 300 hp S60/V70 R AWD dual VVT 54 = B5244T5 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/147 in3 / Turbo / 257hp S60 T5 FWD dual VVT 59 = B5254T2 5-cyl./ 2.5 Ltr/154 in3 / Turbo / 208 hp S80/S60/XC90 2.5T FWD/AWD, V70 2.5T FWD, XC70 AWD dual VVT 61 = B5244S 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/149 in3 / Naturally Aspirated / 168 hp V70 2.4 FWD VVT on intake 64 = B5244S6 5-cyl./ 2.4 Ltr/149 in3 / Naturally Aspirated / 165 hp V70 2.4 FWD dual VVT 68 = B5254T3 5-cyl./ 2.5 Ltr/154 in3 / Turbo / 218 hp S40/V50 T5 FWD/AWD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Here are the cam specifications from VIDA 2010A. They are the same as on my VADIS 2005A. I think the other table was wrong for the B5254T2 intake cam. If I were you, I'd search for the B5244T3 intake cam, it has 8.45 mm lift, vs 8.40mm lift for the other cams. Thanks. I don't have the vin or the motor # that the head came from, though Those cam numbers are not what's listed in VADIS for the B5254T2 & The B5244T5. Based on the PN's, that's only up to 2001! (02 has a different exhaust cam) I listed them above That chart needs editing! 8642712 exhaust, (all 05-) 3063410 intake for dual VVT R & T5 8670354 intake for dual VVT B5254T2 So we still don't know the specs on these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEU Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 VVT NA cam won't work in place of Non-VVT turbo intake cam. Aaron's hub is simply to delete the VVT. I was under the impression that I could add the NA VVT cam but would have to use a hub adaptor (VVT delete) since I don't have it on the intake. Are you saying I can't use this cam in my head? Would I need a dual VVT head? I know the passages for the solenoid aren't there but I figure that the cam would still fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I was under the impression that I could add the NA VVT cam but would have to use a hub adaptor (VVT delete) since I don't have it on the intake. Are you saying I can't use this cam in my head? Would I need a dual VVT head? I know the passages for the solenoid aren't there but I figure that the cam would still fit. Take a look at Johann's Cam Comparison pic the cams are physically different. Captain Bondo made adaptors to fit Non-VVT cams in a VVT head, but a VVT (intake) cam in a non-VVT (intake) head won't work as I understand it. That's one reason I'm getting a dual VVT head. EDIT - Cams will work - see later posts :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Well, I'm not sure if it would work actually. The machining in the head is different; they added grooves for fluid control on the VVT cam, but the diameter and depth didn't change. The distance from the larger hub where the cam seal sits to the first "lip" on the cam is the same, 0.992", the diameter of that hub is 1.774", and if you line up the back edge of the hub, the gears sit along the same plane. The apparent difference there is most likely from the smaller gear mounting area on the VVT cam, since the VVT gear takes up a lot more room. They may be interchangeable if you take out the c-clips that isolate the two "chambers" of the VVT gear. I guess I can always throw the cams back in my broken head, backwards, and see if things line up and spin freely. VVT: Non-VVT: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volvo5.0 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 They may be interchangeable if you take out the c-clips that isolate the two "chambers" of the VVT gear. I guess I can always throw the cams back in my broken head, backwards, and see if things line up and spin freely. I did that this morning after reading NEU's post. It looks like from what I could see (only looked briefly) that you could actually use a vvt intake cam in a head that originally came with vvt only on the exhaust. I put the cams in backwards (int. cam on exh side and exh cam on int. side) and they both spun free. Definitely would need a vvt hub or delete hub to go on the intake cam though. Don't even think you would need to remove the c-clips on the cam. If you look at your picture the c-clip doesn't go into the grooves in the head, it rides on the head itself. Appears to do that fine when swapped. Again I only looked briefly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 You're right, they do not go into the grooves. I was thinking in terms of reduced wear and drag by getting them out of there, although it's not a true bearing surface, and the drag is pretty trivial compared to the force needed to overcome the spring pressure. That's an interesting find, this whole thing I was thinking that they were not interchangeable. So really, it's more a matter of RN cams cannot be used in an N head, or vice versa. The RN cams are interchangeable, regardless of VVT or non-VVT, as long as you don't want to use the VVT functionality. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEU Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I did that this morning after reading NEU's post. It looks like from what I could see (only looked briefly) that you could actually use a vvt intake cam in a head that originally came with vvt only on the exhaust. I put the cams in backwards (int. cam on exh side and exh cam on int. side) and they both spun free. Definitely would need a vvt hub or delete hub to go on the intake cam though. Boy I glad I asked. I was thinking it would be strange if Volvo cast 3 different heads for the different VVT combos. So my next question, could you run the NA VVT cam without use the hub delete? Is there really a need for it? I've run my VVT solenoid disconnected and the car ran fine (hub didn't need to be "locked"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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