Johann Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I replaced the VVT hub with a solid machined part when I swapped non-vvt cams into my VVT head: When using the non VVT cam you could have used an intake pulley to make it work. With my S60 I made a similar setup but fitted to the VVT intake cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AthruC Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I did just think of/realize something. If you are actually using VVT on the intake cam, wouldn't that start to make the firing of the plugs a bit screwy with a cap/rotor setup? I'm guessing you'd need a coilpack setup to make that work properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bondo Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Johann - The non-vvt gear actually didn't 't fit becuase the cam seal on that side is different, and the head casting hit the inside of the cam gear. The S80 motor uses unique cam pullies though - larger than 5 cylinder gears (960's use the same size gears as 850's, too). It's possible that what you suggest will work on a 5 cylinder but I can't say for sure. The T6 has several (annoying) differences form the 5's, it's quite wierd.Also when I say "bigger" I mean the gears actually have more teeth, they aren't just wider. Caught me by suprize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bum2kev Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 though I would post some of Johann's info here... For leaving the solenoid in place unconnected or only using a blocking plate, Well.. This is only from first hand experience. The VVT unit uses a tripple gear system where one gear is integrated in the outside housing connected to the cam gear, one gear integrated in the center part connected to the cam and one double faced gear in between moving up and down. or back and forth, using hydraulics. The hydraulics is the engine's oil system and the solenoid can redirect oil to the front or the rear of this gear. Once the gear reached it's position, and this is where i'm not 100% sure how it works, the solenoid is placed in such a way that the gear won't move again. In a timed event the position is being guarded and corrected when needed. There is also a spring load in the unit to help the gear and to push it to it's starting position. The solenoid is a step motor operating a slide valve AFAIK. When disconnecting the solenoid can't slide the valve but the variation in oil pressure and the channeling used could cause the VVT unit to change position when not continuously guarded. When removing the solenoid and putting a blocking plate in place the oil can't reach the VVT unit anymore so over time it might change position. I have driven my S60 for a short while with a disconnected solenoid and I was under the impression that the behavior of the engine wasn't always the same. One day there was low end, the other day there was less. This in combination with a non intake VVT aware ME7. Shortly after I fabricated a flange replacing the VVT unit to make it a fixed cam and I installed a blocking plate and the engine behavior was consistent after that but needs some adjustment still, haven't worked on the car for a while. I have used the rear slit of the VVT cam as a reference like it was a non VVT cam but it appears this slit has a different reference angle. Some pics of what we are talking about, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I know at least the 2000 v70r uses 7mm valve stems instead of the smaller 6mm on the early. both are sodium filled to my knowledge. the later solid lifter head flows more stock then my hydraulic lifter head with full gasket match and port and polish. I always hesitate to say flow numbers in CFM because there is so much variance in between flow benches. on the same flow bench though our solid lifter heads at least in static flow is comparable to your honda k20a2 head, where our head lacks vs the honda is in the cam profiles. What year went to solid lifters? 2000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bondo Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Volvo's changes seem to be running changes and it can be hard to tell exactly when a change was done. My 2000 V70R has solid, but I have heard some 2000's were hydro. I would expect the majority of 2000+ to be solid though, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Volvo's changes seem to be running changes and it can be hard to tell exactly when a change was done. My 2000 V70R has solid, but I have heard some 2000's were hydro. I would expect the majority of 2000+ to be solid though, yeah. Well. at least I don't feel so bad - I just recently junked a '99 XC - and didn't bother saving the head :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshV70 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 2001-2004 2001-2004 2.3 T5 Single VVT 2001-2004 2.4 LPT Single VVT 2005-2009 2.4 T5 Dual VVT 2003-2009 2.5 LPT Dual VVT 2004-2009 2.5 S60R Dual VVT Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapShot Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 This thread is definitely something to think about now that my car's running again and my old motor is just sitting in the garage with bent valves. IDK whether its a good idea to save the block or get something newer assuming i still want to build in a year or so... But if i have the info right, the 2.3L block can be modified to support a newer head? '03 for example... and with subsequent modifications to camshaft, manifold etc...still run ME 4.4 on distributor/rotor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bum2kev Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Fixed it. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackT5 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I wonder how the coil on plug will work - I guess it will use some spare outputs on the Me4 ECU and you'll have to wire them to ignitors or something. Doesn't seem like it would be straightforward to me... There's a guy in Sweden? offering to convert 4.3/4.4 ECUS to have 5 COP outputs. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.turboperformanceclub.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D66%26t%3D224518 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 There's a guy in Sweden? offering to convert 4.3/4.4 ECUS to have 5 COP outputs. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.turboperformanceclub.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D66%26t%3D224518 That's cool. TurboTuner will have built-in COP support soon (this spring he says) EDIT - wonder where you can buy this circuit board, or if he's fabricating them himself/.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bondo Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 That's cool. TurboTuner will have built-in COP support soon (this spring he says) Yeah we were discussing this withing the context of Turbotuner and how it might be handled hardware-wise EDIT - wonder where you can buy this circuit board, or if he's fabricating them himself/.... His name is Jorgen G. and the circuit board says "JG Ignition" on it so I am guessing he makes them himself and is probably the only source for them. Pretty slick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 There's a guy in Sweden? offering to convert 4.3/4.4 ECUS to have 5 COP outputs. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.turboperformanceclub.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D66%26t%3D224518 It's appears it has lots of ups an no downs.. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 It's appears it has lots of ups an no downs.. What does that mean? Yeah we were discussing this withing the context of Turbotuner and how it might be handled hardware-wise His name is Jorgen G. and the circuit board says "JG Ignition" on it so I am guessing he makes them himself and is probably the only source for them. Pretty slick! I tried to join that forum to ask about it - couldn't get past the anti-spam registration code :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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