greekone Posted February 12, 2010 Report Posted February 12, 2010 anything can be fast with the right amount $$$$ I can make a Honda faster for a lot less money then either of my Volvos.
Account_Deleted_T5M Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Posted February 12, 2010 I can make a Honda faster for a lot less money then either of my Volvos. For even less money you can make a 1G DSM faster
greekone Posted February 12, 2010 Report Posted February 12, 2010 For even less money you can make a 1G DSM faster Agreed. Looking back at one of my old Import Tuner magazines, they took a 1G GS-T and gained 106.7whp and 79.9tq with only 3 mods (290whp/278tq after mods). The mods consisted of an Apexi dp, HKS fuel cut defencer and a Holley fuel pump totaling a whopping $602.
TyConn Posted February 12, 2010 Report Posted February 12, 2010 Haha I never said my car was the fastest or best thing on the road. Only better than most of those rice rockets we see at Wendys. I also never said Civics couldn't be fast cars. They're light, and have strong engines. You can't even compare it to a Volvo, it's not even aimed at the same market. People who bought those cars were looking for a disposable car that had good gas efficiency, and not so good safety ratings. A couple of years later, those people realized what a mistake they made, and sold them used (usually to Ricers) who realized how much potential they have under the hood, and NOWHERE else. tl;dr It's easy to make a shitty car fast. It's a lot harder to make a nice car FASTER.
L8 APEKS Posted February 13, 2010 Report Posted February 13, 2010 Agreed. Looking back at one of my old Import Tuner magazines, they took a 1G GS-T and gained 106.7whp and 79.9tq with only 3 mods (290whp/278tq after mods). The mods consisted of an Apexi dp, HKS fuel cut defencer and a Holley fuel pump totaling a whopping $602. No increase in boost pressure? No other mods to the intake or exhaust except a downpipe, necked back down again and then mated to the stock exhaust? C'mon...I think you missed Part 1 of that build. The fuel pump and HKS FCD are there because the car is running significantly more boost than stock, and needs more fuel flow. There's clearly more done to make 106whp than a *downpipe* as the only power modification. Squeezing more fuel into a stock-boost 4G63 isn't going to make 106whp. EDIT: I found the 1G DSM build in Import Tuner... http://importtuner.automotive.com/25203/0311it-1992-mitsubishi-eclipse-talon/index.html During the dyno run the boost passed the stock setting and hit a peak of 17psi before hitting the factory fuel cut... I don't know if this is actually a con but the A'PEXi downpipe removes the factory catalytic... Conclusion: A two-hour-and-15-minute install netted a total of 106.7 horsepower and 79.8 lb-ft of torque. We only did six small modifications and are still on the stock turbo and that has me curious as to how far we can take the car in street trim... Can't find the other mods...I'm guessing intake and exhaust? No cat, and 17psi...that explains it. Still pretty impressive though!!!
greekone Posted February 13, 2010 Report Posted February 13, 2010 No increase in boost pressure? No other mods to the intake or exhaust except a downpipe, necked back down again and then mated to the stock exhaust? C'mon...I think you missed Part 1 of that build. The fuel pump and HKS FCD are there because the car is running significantly more boost than stock, and needs more fuel flow. There's clearly more done to make 106whp than a *downpipe* as the only power modification. Squeezing more fuel into a stock-boost 4G63 isn't going to make 106whp. EDIT: I found the 1G DSM build in Import Tuner... http://importtuner.automotive.com/25203/0311it-1992-mitsubishi-eclipse-talon/index.html Can't find the other mods...I'm guessing intake and exhaust? No cat, and 17psi...that explains it. Still pretty impressive though!!! I thought raising the boost would be rather obvious, but I was listing what was mentioned in the article. All that data you see there was not mentioned, but yes that is the same car.
L8 APEKS Posted February 13, 2010 Report Posted February 13, 2010 Kinda makes me want one to see what I could get out of it, but then, I'd be about 18 years behind the trend. LOL! Better late than never?!
TRACStar Posted February 13, 2010 Report Posted February 13, 2010 Kinda makes me want one to see what I could get out of it, but then, I'd be about 18 years behind the trend. LOL! Better late than never?! They can be stupid fast for little investment but they have downfalls..... Google crankwalk :lol:
Fudge_Brownie Posted February 14, 2010 Report Posted February 14, 2010 It's easy to make a shitty car fast. It's a lot harder to make a nice car FASTER. You can't be serious.
Account_Deleted_T5M Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Posted February 14, 2010 They can be stupid fast for little investment but they have downfalls..... Google crankwalk 6-bolts not so much, 7-bolt yes. 1st gens are strong like bull Can't find the other mods...I'm guessing intake and exhaust? No cat, and 17psi...that explains it. Still pretty impressive though!!! Without looking at that thread, anything more than 16lbs on stock turbo requires fuel pump, and bigger injectors, but with the right mods and tuning can go well into the 11's on the stock 14b, or T25 depending on whether your talking about 1st gen or 2nd gen
EricF Posted February 15, 2010 Report Posted February 15, 2010 Some do.....most don't Not so much to do with the turbos themselves (they either last or they don't last) in terms of power... Just extrapolate how much they're likely spending in other critical areas when they spend $160 shipped for their turbo. Turbo itself isn't limiting the power output ;)
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