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They're Called Security Rounds

In response to the news blurb about the Marine who put two rounds in a

wounded insurgent's head in Fallujah, here's a response from a Marine:

It's a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target,

put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no

paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering

them a hot cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to dick

around in the target, you clear the space, dump the chumps, and move

on.org.

Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey libs,

worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and

abuse for a Corpsman to spend one man minute or a battle dressing on a

terrorist, its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.

By the way, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not prisoners,

they are carcasses.

UPDATE: Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the

web, and many people get this concept, but there are some stragglers.

Here is your situation Marine. You just took fire from unlawful

combatants shooting from a religious building attempting to use the

sanctuary status of their position as protection. But you're in

Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're not playing

that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on fire and

you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s, some

40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down. So you run over

there, and find some tangos wounded and pretending to be dead. You are

aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular with these kinds of

idiots, and like taking some Marines with them would be really cool. So

you can either risk your life and your fire team's lives by having them

cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you think is

pretending to be dead for some reason. Also, you don't know who or what

is in the next room, and you're already speaking English to each other

and its loud because your hearing is poor from shooting people for

several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and

that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans

are in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you still have this

terrorist that was just shooting at you from a mosque playing possum.

What do you do?

You double tap his head, and you go to the next room, that's what.

What about the Geneva Conventions and all that Law of Land Warfare

stuff? What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand you

first thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

Bear in mind that this is a perpetual mindset that in reinforced by

experience on a minute by minute basis. Secondly, you are fighting an

unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary which is a double No No on his part.

Third, tactically you are in no position to take "prisoners" because

there are more rooms to search and clear, and the behavior of said

terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in Fallujah is a

very large place and the low end of no good and the high end of no good

are fundamentally the same... Marines get hurt or die. So there is no

compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this idiot and

get on with the mission.

If you are a veteran then everything I have just written is self

evident, if you are not a veteran than at least try to put yourself in

the situation. Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no

tomorrow, there is only now. Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for

a week? It is not easy, and if you have never lived in NOW for longer

than it takes to finish the big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut

your hole about putting Marines in jail for war crimes. Be advised, I

am not talking to my readers, but if this post gets linked up, I want

regular folks to get this message loud and clear. Froggy OUT.

Good blogs...

My 2 cents. If some one breaks into your house with a gun and pops a shot at you are you gonna shoot back if you have a firearm? If you don't your a fool, for those of you who can read what if you wound him? Armed robber laying on your floor bleeding and he refuses to throw out his weapon. I hope you see where I am going with this.

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Ahhh yes.  And this is why there is a test even for groundpounders.  You my friend in a modern military would be a cook in the mess.

So wait, I can't say that I'd put a round in the "possums" head without you saying I'm barely sane enough to be a cook, and then you post this and support it!?

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So wait, I can't say that I'd put a round in the "possums" head without you saying I'm barely sane enough to be a cook, and then you post this and support it!?

I'm gonna make this real clear to you. So listen up. Killing someone is something that should never be relished, and absolutely never not thought out. Dead is dead, there is not taking it back. What you said was,:

I'd have put one right between their eyes, and not though anything about it.

Every time a soldier takes a life it was a calculated decision, and you are not giving people enough credit if you think other wise. Have you ever shot someone? Have you ever seen a friend killed right infront of you? Ever been somewhere with so much blood and guts the air smelled like copper? If you can answer yes to those questions and still speak with the flippentness that you do, than you are no better then the dogs we hunt in Iraq. Every dead soldier, both ours and theirs had a mother, a father, a family who is missing someone and is never coming home. So before you say things that I hope you don't mean, think how you would feel if your father was fighting and I shot him through the leg and finished him for no reason with a shot to the head. Maybe your a brother won't be home because I shot him and "Didn't think anything of it" as I blew his head off and watched him bleed infront of me.

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I'd have put one right between their eyes, and not though anything about it.

Every time a soldier takes a life it was a calculated decision, and you are not giving people enough credit if you think other wise.  Have you ever shot someone?  Have you ever seen a friend killed right infront of you?  Ever been somewhere with so much blood and guts the air smelled like copper?  If you can answer yes to those questions and still speak with the flippentness that you do, than you are no better then the dogs we hunt in Iraq.  Every dead soldier, both ours and theirs had a mother, a father, a family who is missing someone and is never coming home.  So before you say things that I hope you don't mean, think how you would feel if your father was fighting and I shot him through the leg and finished him for no reason with a shot to the head.  Maybe your a brother won't be home because I shot him and "Didn't think anything of it" as I blew his head off and watched him bleed infront of me.

Point taken. My point was that I wouldn't have thought about being reprimanded for deciding my security was more important than his life. I don't have a disregard for anyone's life, and I do agree our soldiers (and theirs) aren't out there mindlessly blowing people away. I was trying to say that a soldier shouldn't have made that decision based upon "Will this get me court martialed?" as opposed to "Is this vital to the mission, to the safety of my squad, and is it necessary?"

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think how you would feel if your father was fighting and I shot him through the leg and finished him for no reason with a shot to the head.

I guess this guy's response to you would be: "Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up 'prisoners' ... you clear the space, dump the chumps, and move on.org."

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That's kinda bogus to smear this as a liberal thing...

I as a liberal/objectivist am in full agreement with the use of excessive force in combat situations.

That's kind of a joke, but I'm serious too.  Double-tap was the correct action.

In all fairness I do not think anyone who has spoken up is qualified to say. None of were there. None of the talking heads on TV where there. I think this is a perfect example of, "STFU I don't come to McDonalds and tell you how to do your job, don't tell me how to do mine". But Ken I am proud of you. Come to the the right, err correct side :P. Wait we have it wrong on a lot of issues too. Back to my theory on government. There are two correct types. Total anarchy and absolute dictatorship with me at the top.

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