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anybody care to explain the exodus?

Here is my 2 cents of why im leaving for awhile Mike, if you actually care lol.

Let me first start off by saying that Andrew is a good friend, so yeah, I might be biased, but I will also be the first to tell Andrew if he does something stupid, which he occasionally does, so you can take this with a grain of salt or whatever.

Here is my issue with this situation. As some/most of us know Andrew has been on here for many years and has had his “Issues” with posting questionable youtube videos on and off again. Now I understand the issue/responsibility/liability that VS has with allowing or condoning “street racing”, and I AGREE that it shouldn’t be tolerated, and members should be disciplined.

Now with that being said, disciplining a member should be one of the following: suspension of membership, banned for a certain amount of time if he/she is a multiple time offender, or Perma banning the member for good. I also wouldn’t have an issue with a Moderator/Admin getting in contact with the police if they thought that lives were at risk.

However, without following any of these step (he’s not banned because he’s still posting), it was thought to be necessary to call/email/whatever Andrews place of work to bring to their attention of these actions. If somebody thought that he was breaking laws or being a danger to society, then fine, contact the authorities, but to potentially get a member fired from his job, I think is complete I'm dumbt.

This to me was the exact opposite of handling a situation like an adult. If you want proof of how fuking hard it is to try to find a job right now in this economy, than you can just ask me, I don’t wish this on anybody. We have had members do much worst in the past and get away with it or end up just getting suspended, so I don’t know why this situation should be any different.

Sorry if some of this doesn’t make sense, im on my ipad

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Now with that being said, disciplining a member should be one of the following: suspension of membership, banned for a certain amount of time if he/she is a multiple time offender, or Perma banning the member for good. I also wouldn’t have an issue with a Moderator/Admin getting in contact with the police if they thought that lives were at risk.

However, without following any of these step (he’s not banned because he’s still posting), it was thought to be necessary to call/email/whatever Andrews place of work to bring to their attention of these actions. If somebody thought that he was breaking laws or being a danger to society, then fine, contact the authorities, but to potentially get a member fired from his job, I think is complete I'm dumbt.

Consider it a social time out? :P But for serious, if any of this is true, because I don't know anything first hand, don't shoot the messenger. The decision is up to his supervisor. Who could shrug it off. Or, he could feel it is worthy of discipline and take action. It isn't entirely different than the supervisor finding the action on the internet himself, except it's been drawn attention to by someone else for them.

And you guys are calling Chuck the douche, but you don't think your friend is a douche? HTF does that logic work?

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Wow....douche move by chuck for sure. Did Andrew get fired?

I should ban you for believing anything on the internet.

RE did he get fired, it would be funny as hell if he did, but it has nothing to do with me. You think I have time to chase members I have not even heard of. Now if he pissed me of or something I totally would. All that said, 3 people from that dealership are fans of my google+ page. So I assume 3 people are also members here. One is numbnuts, and one is Danny. No clue who third would be.

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If you want proof of how fuking hard it is to try to find a job right now in this economy, than you can just ask me, I don’t wish this on anybody. We have had members do much worst in the past and get away with it or end up just getting suspended, so I don’t know why this situation should be any different.

Call the cops, but the job, ohhh noez, not the job. Whatever you do, don't call my boss!

Fuck that. Like you said, plenty of good people out of work. Bounce the clown and hire someone better.

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And there goes Aldens Rep.

:lol:

I am personally offended that people do not give me the credit to document all this if it was me. I would have a freaken youtube video of the call if it was me.

Guess I believe that you would video that. Don't get me wrong I think street racing is dumb as shit and I think a ban is in order.....I just thought the info chain to this point was legit...

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Well this sounds fun. What have you heard? I thought you were leaving anyways?

I was actually gonna email you when I got home

So all of the stuff that i have heard from Andrew and another member has been false? I don't know what to believe anymore

HTF did you get dragged into this chuck if you really didn't have intention to call his bosses?

Now I'm pissed off because I dunno who to believe

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