BeachRat Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 I agree, there are good ones (by that I mean they simply want to work) and ones that abuse the system. I don't know where you wouldn't find someone willing to do simple labor for $8 an hour and free lunch, that's more than I make at my shitty parttime job! I don't think the dishwashers, carwashers, and landscapers (ours is a white guy) earn quite that much. Maybe the landscapers... Besides, immigrant labor has been around since the 1800's, don't start with the "this country's founded on domestic labor" stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 What do you think America was like before all of the Illegal immigrants came in to this country. White Americans still doing blue collar work. This country would still be FINE without the illegals. Our state's taxes and state funded businesses wouldn't be going bankrupt due to illegal's theft and abuse of American rights (and hard earned freedom and prosperity). The Mexican's where I live (check the sig) stand on the corner for work and then refuse it when they don't get $8.00 / hour and lunch bought for them as well. I really despise the fact that they come to this country and then manipulate our people, customs, ethics, and our system and CAN'T respect our country while they're at it. In short: ship them out. I know at one time my ancestors were immigrants too, but they didn't sneak over the border and use/ disrespect our country; they came through Ellis Island...and appreciated the country they moved into.←Wow.. um. yea, wow. Go look up the facts, seriously. That's all the breath I'm going to waste on this. Go look up the facts, go read, go digging around and see if you can find a reasonable facimilie of truth. Go beyond your little world, and expand your horizions abit. You sound like you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Man, you are such a tree huggin hippie! You put a disclaimer in! It's people like you that are the reason this country is going to hell. I don't agree with what she said, but I don't agree with what you said. I think we need to close off our borders and ship all that are here illegally out. Sorry, but it just needs to be done. Just MO and it's right! ←Actually, it's attitudes like that which are screwing up our country. Disclaimers? stuff, he's just trying to clarify intent. Now, before you rail against the immigrants, go educate yourself on economics and the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 (edited) ........ :huh: Edited December 21, 2004 by gdogg16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 (edited) Actually, it's attitudes like that which are screwing up our country. Disclaimers? stuff, he's just trying to clarify intent. Now, before you rail against the immigrants, go educate yourself on economics and the real world.←I'll get right on that, 'cause I'm sure you can really school me on economics and the real world being that you are still in school... I was just joking though, well...to a certain extent. I lost my job and my father lost his job due to the "cheaper" labor, so...I have every right to dislike them and want them out of here. If they are here illegally, then they need to be delt with ASAP. Edited December 21, 2004 by gdogg16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted December 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I'll get right on that, 'cause I'm sure you can really school me on economics and the real world being that you are still in school... I was just joking though, well...to a certain extent. I lost my job and my father lost his job due to the "cheaper" labor, so...I have every right to dislike them and want them out of here. If they are here illegally, then they need to be delt with ASAP.This post has been edited by gdogg16: Today, 05:39 PM Sorry to hear. At the same time I out source everything. I can have it made in china and mailed here for about 20 cents on the dollar of what it would cost here. Hell look at steel. We can ship that two ways for refinement and still have it be cheaper than in country. And its not like its light. In a lot of ways, unemployed US workers should thank their labor unions that screwed us over for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I'll get right on that, 'cause I'm sure you can really school me on economics and the real world being that you are still in school... I was just joking though, well...to a certain extent. I lost my job and my father lost his job due to the "cheaper" labor, so...I have every right to dislike them and want them out of here. If they are here illegally, then they need to be delt with ASAP.This post has been edited by gdogg16: Today, 05:39 PM Sorry to hear. At the same time I out source everything. I can have it made in china and mailed here for about 20 cents on the dollar of what it would cost here. Hell look at steel. We can ship that two ways for refinement and still have it be cheaper than in country. And its not like its light. In a lot of ways, unemployed US workers should thank their labor unions that screwed us over for years.←In both cases, it was a matter of replacing more expensive workers with cheap workers. My fathers company was bought out and after 28years of service the new company layed him off and replaced him with "cheap" labor. They kept a few of the guys on to train the "new" employees and I recently heard that the company stripped the leave away from these guys and they have to start from scratch now. Some of these guys had 30+ years of service and 6weeks vaction. That sucks! In my case I was just phased out and my jobs were given to mexicans. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottieottie Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 (edited) Wow.. um. yea, wow. Go look up the facts, seriously. That's all the breath I'm going to waste on this. Go look up the facts, go read, go digging around and see if you can find a reasonable facimilie of truth. Go beyond your little world, and expand your horizions abit. You sound like you need it.←Will get right on that, thanks...off of VS and on to the library. See you guys a few Master's degrees down the road. Edited December 22, 2004 by spottieottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Wow.. um. yea, wow. Go look up the facts, seriously. That's all the breath I'm going to waste on this. Go look up the facts, go read, go digging around and see if you can find a reasonable facimilie of truth. Go beyond your little world, and expand your horizions abit. You sound like you need it.←Maybe you should pull your nose out of a book and take a look around. I don't see anthing wrong in his statement. They do the same thing over here. Plus the crime in NOVA is getting out of hand. There are two rival mexican gangs in NOVA right now that are tearing everyting up. Things are really getting out of hand in the DC area and something needs to be done about it. I don't mind if they are here leagally, but if they aren't they need to get F*** out ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I have to agree with the cheap labor thing. My dad being in the IT field runs a major risk of losing his job to cheap labor (overseas). And granted that isn't directly located in the US, it is still the fact that higher paid workers are getting cut to give the other (probably not 100% qualified) cheaper laborers the jobs. My dad has 27 years with the company he is at, is it fair that his job gets cut? Especially after the age of 40 if you get cut at a long time job, good luck at finding anything to pay you NEAR the same amount. No one wants to hire back 40 + year olds because they can hire two 24 year olds to do the same work you can do, still cheaper than they pay you. They may not be the best workers, but hey they are cheaper right?! but don't get me wrong, I see a slight need to outsource. Well maybe not need but a want. Like VAdmin said, it is cheaper even for us even after it all gets sent back here. In alot of cases that is very true, just ask Nike. And I would say yeah, unions aren't helping anything. Getting raises for already high paid Waste Management employees, and maybe some of that in trickle down effect is what could be causing some job cuts for cheaper labor. Can't afford certain services, well you need the service so what do you do, you cut the higher paid force and add in cheaper labor. In a way I agree with spottie ottie also. There are a boat load of imiigrants here that don't repsect us, or the country. But on the other hand there are also alot that do, and I know alot of hispanic people, very honest very good workers, actually one is like second father to me. But this isn't all to blame on them either, it is alot the US's fault for not being stricter on border policies, and patrol. I mean if you think about it, we could stop them 100%, but the man power to do it is ridiculous. I believe that they, as much as we do, have a right to be here but to respect the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderlord Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 In a lot of ways, unemployed US workers should thank their labor unions that screwed us over for years.←Gregg, I'm sorry about what happened to you and your dad, but Charles couldn't be more right on this one. In fact, US workers can continue to thank thier labor unions, cause they're only going to cause more US jobs lost. And we wonder why the labor unions always endorse the Liberals... hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I didn't have a labor union! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderlord Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I didn't have a labor union! ←haha, yeah Greg, I was thinking that right after I posted.... You know what Union is actually increasing in numbers? Governmental Employees... now if that isn't scary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharma Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 I wonder how many people here have actually been to Cuba. I studied there for ~1 month when I was in high school and it was an eye opener. I feel that I understand the Cuban people relatively well. They hold their education higher than we do for sure and not one person in that country is illiterate. If the USA had the ammount of literate people that Cuba does, I think our country would be a great place with a good reputation. I see a lot of ethnocentrism in this thread, and that's perfectly normal. Cubans are very ethnocentric themselves... Hell, everyone is ethnocentric, but I urge you to try and understand it instead of hating it. The Cuban people love American's, but our governments clash. I do not see the difference between Cuba errecting that sign and how our president calls this war in Iraq "good vs evil." Bush's religious war is not at all just and it continues to get worse. Keep on supporting it if you want to, anger is just insecurity showing itself off. The whole world sees this, how come most people in our own country can't?You do realize that Bush has caused a huge job loss too, right? It's not only the illegal aliens that come into this country and work for less. Hell, Bush somewhat supported it anyway to get their votes. Face it guys, the US isn't always right. Infact we've been wrong for a long time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmz Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 in a nation that claims to a beacon of capitalism; were complaining about a group of persons doing something cheaper and better ????? maybe we should be more upset with the "welfare society" that wont work... regardless of color or ethnicity.229 years ......remember all but a few got here by boat. dont be naive. realize that regardless of the flaws of the u.s. were still one of the few nations that sells white castle sliders......and if a nation can support that dream of entrepeneurialism it cant be all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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