Reximus Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 OK... I know both of you know your sh*t... but I'm getting confused Justin says: "...if you did the first one its wrong." But Binglax09 says: The TC should come off with the tranny and then go back on with the tranny. NEVER install the TC onto the flex plate then install the tranny, or you can say bye bye to the tranny... bye bye So... did I kill my tranny? Ok... so after reading what you wrote... I basically have to pull the motor again and reassemble with the TC in the tranny first, then button it back up. Is there any special method to lining up the TC in the bell housing? tell you what, with an automatic transmission, you MUST install the torque converter on the transmission firsts before you install the transmission onto the engine. torque converter has 3 set of splines that should engage at different rotations for it to work (not going to go into details about the 3 sets of splines to confuse you more). if you did things the way you did, 95% of the chance YOU CAN SAY GOODBYE!!! someone at my shop did something similar before... that was $2400 after, we finally got everything to run again... hope you have a spare transmission laying around. a side note, you probably did things as if it is a manual transmission where the clutch will have to come off with the engine in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal3thousand Posted September 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 Justin just typed it up backwards, he's dyslexic sometimes To install the TC into the tranny you look inside where the imput shaft is and find the alignment pins (can't think of the real name). Once you know where those two are then insert the TC in the same direction, you will likely miss the first time, second time, then a few choice words and it pops right in. Make sure it pops in because it seems like it is all the way in at time when it's really not. About 2 inches inset from the bell housing mating surface if I can picture it correctly. Ok... that sounds good... Looks like I've got my hands full again. FML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaton85 Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 good chance the tranny is shot, although if you have the time and patience then you could redo it and see what happens. I would if I had the time and didnt need the car but it's a total crap shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal3thousand Posted September 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 tell you what, with an automatic transmission, you MUST install the torque converter on the transmission firsts before you install the transmission onto the engine. torque converter has 3 set of splines that should engage at different rotations for it to work (not going to go into details about the 3 sets of splines to confuse you more). if you did things the way you did, 95% of the chance YOU CAN SAY GOODBYE!!! someone at my shop did something similar before... that was $2400 after, we finally got everything to run again... hope you have a spare transmission laying around. a side note, you probably did things as if it is a manual transmission where the clutch will have to come off with the engine in the first place... So... is it a guarantee that I effed the tranny? Is there a way I can find out before putting this thing back in? There wasn't a loud noise or anything that I would normally accompany such damage. I just tried to start it and it wouldn't. good chance the tranny is shot, although if you have the time and patience then you could redo it and see what happens. I would if I had the time and didnt need the car but it's a total crap shoot. If the tranny is damaged... what kind of damage are we talking about? Something mangled? or that I prolly ground some splines to crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 AJ is correct I am dislexit or what ever one what I posted. Just remove the tranny and TC and then reinstall the TC into the tranny and go. If the tranny is shot you would of pulled an Adam Normally if you do this wrong the tranny housing cracks and blows the back of the tranny out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaton85 Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 Ive never done it so I wouldnt know but you would know if any splines are shot, but you wouldnt know if any internal damage as been done. That's why im saying that it MIGHT be worth your time to test it out. Only if you understand that you have a high failure rate b redoing it but that slim chance might be fine with you depending on the situation. Major props to Justin for catching that, not something I or most others would think of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal3thousand Posted September 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 AJ is correct I am dislexit or what ever one what I posted. Just remove the tranny and TC and then reinstall the TC into the tranny and go. If the tranny is shot you would of pulled an Adam Normally if you do this wrong the tranny housing cracks and blows the back of the tranny out. Ok... I feel better about that now... at least its just time that is getting consumed and not more parts. EDIT: Major props to catching this one indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaton85 Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 Just a tranny, a dime a dozen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 Ive never done it so I wouldnt know but you would know if any splines are shot, but you wouldnt know if any internal damage as been done. That's why im saying that it MIGHT be worth your time to test it out. Only if you understand that you have a high failure rate b redoing it but that slim chance might be fine with you depending on the situation. Major props to Justin for catching that, not something I or most others would think of! thats only because I had the same issue the first time I did a tranny swap in my 00V70NA .... granted that was 5+ years ago lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaton85 Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 thats only because I had the same issue the first time I did a tranny swap in my 00V70NA .... granted that was 5+ years ago lol ohh and the truth comes out haha, well, good call on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 ohh and the truth comes out haha, well, good call on this one... learn from experience at least now I can say there is few if anythings I havent done yet now :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilhuly Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 Hey, I'm just glad you guys are out there to make the inevitable mistakes and the internet is there to tell me about them. When I do need to do a motor swap or a RMS, I'll be in better shape! So, Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reximus Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 cal3thousand, whatever the problem ended up being, just keep us posted, we are welling to help! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal3thousand Posted September 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 cal3thousand, whatever the problem ended up being, just keep us posted, we are welling to help! Sure will. Honestly, I should have come to VS first for help. I just didn't want to have to post unnecessarily and thought we had it handled "in house". My oversight has lead to this learning experience. So... it sounds only logical that I put the tranny and motor back together incorrectly. I will be re-doing it this weekend. Now... question is... I only have jacks, stands and a hoist. Would it be easier to pull the engine/tranny as previous and re do OR pull the tranny (I've heard you drop the subframe? <--- not sure if I can do it) Suggestions? Anyone in the So Cal area want to help this weekend? Experience level matters not as there's plenty to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reximus Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 Sure will. Honestly, I should have come to VS first for help. I just didn't want to have to post unnecessarily and thought we had it handled "in house". My oversight has lead to this learning experience. So... it sounds only logical that I put the tranny and motor back together incorrectly. I will be re-doing it this weekend. Now... question is... I only have jacks, stands and a hoist. Would it be easier to pull the engine/tranny as previous and re do OR pull the tranny (I've heard you drop the subframe? <--- not sure if I can do it) Suggestions? Anyone in the So Cal area want to help this weekend? Experience level matters not as there's plenty to do. if you only have what you have, then do everything the way you did it before... hence take the engine and transmission out together, remove the torque converter bolts (there is 8 or 10... can't remember now) separate the transmission from the engine with the torque converter as a assembly. with the transmission on the ground, try this... use one hand, press the torque converter into the transmission. with the other, try to spin the torque converter. the torque converter, if installed correctly or if not damaged, should be able to spin by hand. if everything is still in good working order, install the transmission with the torque converter fully seated in the transmission on to the engine. try to fit the transmission guide pins in by hand, not with a bolt. after this, everything is like what you did before, reverse of removal as they all say let us know if there's any more question. good luck :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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