Jump to content
Volvospeed Forums

Sas (Air Pump) Delete....write-Up With Pics


Volvo5.0

Recommended Posts

Your way over thinking it! The reason it is connected to the SAS solenoid is to cause a voltage drop when that solenoid received a signal. The ECU is getting the readings it needs when it needs them. It doesn't matter if we mess with the rear O2 anyway. It does not control the air fuel ratios thus engine performance and fuel economy are sustained.

This is not just some hack job! It has been tried and test. Myself, personally have tens of thousands of miles on this mod with not a single issue.

Solder in the diode then remove everything except the solenoid and relay. Easy peasy!

  • Upvote 1
  • Downvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Your way over thinking it! The reason it is connected to the SAS solenoid is to cause a voltage drop when that solenoid received a signal. The ECU is getting the readings it needs when it needs them. It doesn't matter if we mess with the rear O2 anyway. It does not control the air fuel ratios thus engine performance and fuel economy are sustained.

This is not just some hack job! It has been tried and test. Myself, personally have tens of thousands of miles on this mod with not a single issue.

Solder in the diode then remove everything except the solenoid and relay. Easy peasy!

No such thing as over thinking :P . I might give my idea a try first just to see what happens. I wanted to make sure I was thinking about this correctly. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work, and I go to the "tried and tested" method. I have two ECUs so it won't be the end of the world if I destroy it for some reason. I really don't see that being an issue though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Are you trying to accomplish something other than what everyone else in his thread has done? Otherwise, I don't get why you suspect it won't work. I don't think there has been a single person who has not had it work perfectly. But don't take my word for it, review the other 9 pages of posts and you will find the evidence.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Note to my last post:

I was wrong about the rear O2 sensor, I was thinking about the cat. efficiency voltage drop!

Correction: The FRONT O2 sensor has the voltage drop. and this system runs at start-up so I believe it's already in close loop during warm up (might be wrong). Then at highway/cruising speed it does a system test for a few minutes, which will set the readiness code.

I don't get your method? as this method is the only one that works as the SAS solenoid HAS to be the trigger. The pump used to be the trigger but that came on before the solenoid which caused the ECU to freak since the voltage drop was sooner then expected.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Are you trying to accomplish something other than what everyone else in his thread has done? Otherwise, I don't get why you suspect it won't work. I don't think there has been a single person who has not had it work perfectly. But don't take my word for it, review the other 9 pages of posts and you will find the evidence.

Not trying to accomplish anything different. Also seems this method does work. My only question is why do we need to do it this way? Wouldn't it be easier to just put a resistor in line with A32 to emulate the function of the solenoid? From what VADIS says, it only needs to see a low voltage to assume the valve is functioning.

Note to my last post:

I was wrong about the rear O2 sensor, I was thinking about the cat. efficiency voltage drop!

Correction: The FRONT O2 sensor has the voltage drop. and this system runs at start-up so I believe it's already in close loop during warm up (might be wrong). Then at highway/cruising speed it does a system test for a few minutes, which will set the readiness code.

I don't get your method? as this method is the only one that works as the SAS solenoid HAS to be the trigger. The pump used to be the trigger but that came on before the solenoid which caused the ECU to freak since the voltage drop was sooner then expected.

I was wrong about running a resistor to ground. That won't work :arob: . I just threw it out there without thinking about it. I read elsewhere that some people tried using a PWM and adjusted it to get it to trick the ECU into thinking it was the Solenoid sending the signal. I'm going to try researching this a little more through VADIS.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There are probably, all members added up on this forum, a total of a few HUNDRED THOUSAND miles on this mod with NO PROBLEMS. (almost 20k on mine) So why not just do it this way?

Next why don't you try a different shape for your wheels..who's to say round is the best? :rolleyes:

Edited by scumcity14
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Anyways, I think I understand why. The fluctuation in voltage is necessary in order to trick the ECU.

Edit: Just thought of this. In open loop, there is no voltage coming from the O2 sensors. Only in closed loop do you see voltage from the O2. No voltage = SAS is on. Voltage = SAS is off.

While I was reading, per VADIS :P

e89Wb.jpg

Edited by SeedyRom
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

OP I upgraded your membership and threw a review up at:

Thanks for the upgrade Che'! Much appreciated.

There was some question as to whether or not readiness could be established with this mod. Others have said it would, but I had never checked any of the cars I personally did. I recently checked them and the answer is YES, readiness monitors are all set.

Good job on the videos BTW, your soldering skills are > mine :D

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the upgrade Che'! Much appreciated.

There was some question as to whether or not readiness could be established with this mod. Others have said it would, but I had never checked any of the cars I personally did. I recently checked them and the answer is YES, readiness monitors are all set.

Good job on the videos BTW, your soldering skills are > mine :D

Solder was a hack job because I wanted to use red and green wire to assure it showed up on lower resolution. Either way, great DIY. Keep em coming, videos, pictures whatever. Sure there is another upgrade out there ;

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 4 weeks later...

I did this tonight and I have a couple of dumb questions: If the pump is removed then you can not keep it plugged in. Do we cut the wire from the pump and just leave the connector plugged in?? Same goes for the Solonoid on top of the fan?? Do you remove the vacuum lines (plug it at the intake next to the bypass valve) and just connect the plug? What if we left everything connected and just did the diode on the inside of the ECU...Would this trip the check engine light?

I am a little fuzzy...does anyone have some pictures of the thing that need to be removed?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

When you say Relay where is this located? I know about the solonoid as it is on top of the fan just left of the cold air tube that feeds the airbox. I know about the valve by the turbo.

Now regarding the valve by the turbo. Can I just pull all that out cap the exhaust?

Side note: What is all stuff under the battery tray?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...