Fudge_Brownie Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Annnnd one of the few people who could provide some insight is that guy. So, sounds like its worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisRay Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Outstanding. I'm going to give it a shot. I think I can pull the schematic for the 960, or does anyone know where I can get copy online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volvo5.0 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 960 schematic for SAS delete...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisRay Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliotg Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Awesome write-up. Thank you for putting it together. I THINK I was able to eliminate the solenoid control valve and SAS relay entirely using passive components. For whatever reason you would want to do this, this might be a viable option (but the usual: If you do this and your car catches on fire its not my fault disclaimer applies) I substituted appropriate resistor values for the solenoid coil (~35ohm) and the SAS relay activation coil (~100ohm) between the correct pins (A37 for control valve and B38 for the relay) and a 12v line switched by the main relay. I used A27 out of convenience but you could probably use any main relay switched 12v line. I tested this out on my 98 S70 NA which is a non-SAS car as I had a SAS ecu for the same drivetrain to use. I installed the SAS ecu and upon startup got two codes 0410 and 0413. The car did have the plug for the control valve clipped to the radiator fan shroud, so I plugged the 35ohm resistor into it. Cleared the codes and after startup, just had the 0410 code remaining. I pulled the ECU, soldered in the diode and I still had the 0410 code on startup. The SAS relay position (#2) doesn't have connectors in it in my car so I added the 100ohm resistor internal to the ECU. Started it up and no CEL's. It's stayed off and nothing is pending for the past 50 miles or so. though the SAS readiness monitor still shows incomplete (of course) and I don't have a VTC to test it with. Maybe I'll try to get the readiness set and see if there's any issues with doing this to get rid of all the SAS components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaton85 Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Nice! that's good to know that the resistor worked. I think I posted that in the past but never actually tried is. Although my resistance readings on all of the solenoids were 30ohms and not 35ohms. ummm, anyway, I guess I will have to stop by radio shack and pick up a 300% mark up resistor haha. Wondering if it's best to place the resistor in the harness or inside the ECU solder to the pins just like the diode is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaton85 Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Also, the other issue, is what wattage should these resistors be? REALLY don't want those buggers getting hot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliotg Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Weird, I guess the one control valve coil I measured had some corrosion or poor solder joints that caused it to meter out at 35 ohms rather than 30. There's probably a good bit of leeway for actual value. It probably just has to act as a load to cause enough of a voltage drop to that pin from the 12 volt source when its pulled to signal ground within the ecu. I was thinking along the same lines about where to install the resistors. If I had the relay wiring in place in the harness, I probably wouldn't have bothered soldering it into the ecu to test it. Probably would have just soldered pieces of wire onto the resistor leads and spliced into the harness with scotch-locks. Although, if you put both resistors and the diode inside of the ecu, you should end up with a non-SAS ECU that could be installed in any car with a similar drivetrain. Its kind of a pain to solder on pin B38 since its on the bottom but not impossible, it just takes some patience. I used a really long, thin iron and gently bent the pins on either side to get the clearance. I used 1 watt resistors for both without any problems. But I should have actually measured what the max current draw was on the actual control valve and done the math to figure out what worse case would be. By a quick calculation, assuming a drop of 12 volts across the coil, would equal 0.4 amps. So close to 5watts. Since the ECU sinks the pin to ground, the resistor shouldn't have to dissipate that much power. It's not doing work like the solenoid coil, unless I'm looking at it wrong. It's been a while since circuits class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct98saffv70r Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 So i'm planning on doing this mod in the next day or two. I'm going to use wiretaps to go across the wires outside the ECU. Am i to understand you also need to unplug the pump, and cap off the vacuum line? Where do you get little rubber caps from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaton85 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Yes, and autoparts store... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARD - Lucky Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Now if someone can figure out a diode to solder in to delete the rear 02 sensor. Gary It's called a Zener diode. but easier to delete in the software :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avboden Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 It's called a Zener diode. but easier to delete in the software You are such a tease..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaton85 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lucky... A cheap O2 and SAS delete tune??? Without any the performance tuning! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaskMule Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Lucky... A cheap O2 and SAS delete tune??? Without any the performance tuning! ^ this ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 ...but cheaper to buy a zener diode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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