Fudge_Brownie Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Wow. Will someone help Alden out here? So instead of making your case and talking about things civil and intelligently, you're just going to imply I'm stupid, and say nothing of any value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreo931 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 What is unfortunately flying over everyone's heads is that minorities are under-represented in both higher education, the workforce, and access to resources in general due to our historical and sytematic past discriminatory laws governing the country. In in America, the ruling class speaking in an encompassing and overall societal context (otherwise know as being white or caucasian) created these inequalities in the first place. Again, this all exists because those who have access to resources (best colleges, jobs, opportunities) are not an equal representation of the racial and ethnic mix of our society. Do you think that through these methods, (i.e., affirmative action, scholarships, etc) the under-representation will eventually end? If so, in the mean time, how do you justify individuals who are equally deserving, if not more deserving, of scholarships, entry into a colleges, etc, being rejected on the basis that they are not minorities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Dont worry we all know the facts 1. If your asian you know how to work and work for what you want. 2. White people are given everything even if they dont work for it 3. Blacks and mexicans are lazy and dont do anything so they need it all givem to them. That pretty much sums this whole arguement up and why there needs to be raced based scholorships ........ :facepalm:Dont worry erik if you feel guilty about being white its ok I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but I do believe that people ought to focus more on finding solutions for themselves when it comes to building their future, instead of focusing on the could've-would've-should've scheme of things too much. Wait sorry that cant happen that is obviously un-emrikcan :lol: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swc75 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 " Caucasian families have had generations to accumulate wealth, which in turn allows for more opportunity" WTF Who are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 The funniest part of this whole load of crap , is that my dad is fresh of the boat as of was born in another country and he managed with out anyone elses help to create his own buisness , shoot at one point he did what ever odd side jobs in the early 90s so we could have stuff till he got his own thing up and running . So as far as I am concered this whole thing is due to lazy people nothing more nothing less. Its not a race thing at all just some seem to be much lazier then others , thats a simple fact. Especially since the white man is busy keeping everyone down , even in there own countrys :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 " Caucasian families have had generations to accumulate wealth, which in turn allows for more opportunity" Whoa, I totally missed this little gem of awesome. So...because I'm caucasian, it's my fault? Even though my family tree moved here AFTER the civil war? L-O-L Wow. Will someone help Alden out here? I still maintain that this is one of the most pretenious things I've seen in a few months. Stop being a stuck up douche and explain what you feel I've failed to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 The best part of that its some how white peoples faults that they didnt in there own countrys before comming here. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I still maintain that this is one of the most pretenious things I've seen in a few months. Stop being a stuck up douche and explain what you feel I've failed to understand. Your belief that affirmative action, equal rights protection under the law, and programs to help minorities (those not in the majority not just non-whites, like John's example of women being targeted to join the fire department) is inherently racist towards non-whites, and those in the majority. I know more on this subject than you do as my graduate education was based on it, and work in one of the most racial, cultural, and ethnically diverse environments around. When you talk computers, I take your word for it. I wouldn't assume to be more knowledgable on the subject than you, so settle down. Do you think that through these methods, (i.e., affirmative action, scholarships, etc) the under-representation will eventually end? If so, in the mean time, how do you justify individuals who are equally deserving, if not more deserving, of scholarships, entry into a colleges, etc, being rejected on the basis that they are not minorities? Well, I know you are in Law school Adam, so look up Gratz v. Bollinger and Grutter v. Bollinger as they are interesting cases, and let me know what you think. What about children of Alumni, athletes, and students that a university deems beneficial to their programs? They are given preferential treatment in regards to scholarships and admissions, is that fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 That's great, but for you to want me to believe you, you need to make me aware of your qualifications. Frankly, I wouldn't encourage you to "take my word" on computer advice if you really felt what I was saying was wrong. I'm open to being challenged. Not saying I'll be happy about it But I don't feel that I shouldn't be challenged soley because the field I know the most about is computers. I guess thats a slightly different arguement though. I've been pretty general, and I see what happened here. I believe a large subset of affirmative action is racist, yes. I don't believe the entire topic of AA is, as I do recognize there are other situations such as the gender example you provided. If credentials are import here, I worked for a women's center for four years and I deffinitely had my eyes opened from what was a relatively ignorant stance. Maybe my belief that if we tried to "drop all predjustices at once" is too utopian, just like a world without guns is a safer but impossible existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I got my partial-scholarships for sports, solved my problem. For my work environment I hire and interview people based off two things... relative work experience and how professional they are (if they come in with no suit and hoop-earrings *bye bye*). I don't care where they went to college just as long as they can answer some hard questions in the interview that reflects their work experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Wait a black person who ownes there own buisness " impossible" or maybe she worked hard and acutaly wants to do somethign with her life , imagine that :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreo931 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Well, I know you are in Law school Adam, so look up Gratz v. Bollinger and Grutter v. Bollinger as they are interesting cases, and let me know what you think. What about children of Alumni, athletes, and students that a university deems beneficial to their programs? They are given preferential treatment in regards to scholarships and admissions, is that fair? I read those cases in Constitutional law. But you still didn't answer my questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 New Flash : Life isnt fair Get the fuck over it. :monkey: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 New Flash : Life isnt fair Get the fuck over it. I agree You dont like your life... change it.. you cant change it.. move and change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I read those cases in Constitutional law. But you still didn't answer my questions. Well, looking at the recent census data that has been released, programs that promote the inclusion and access of minorities won't be as neccessary, as the population shifts from being a white majority, it will also shift in the diversification of power being able to make and change policies that have focused power, plain an simply, to white males. Is it fair that Harvard turned down 2300 valedictorians last year, but probably admitted a high acheiving Hispanic male who plays the Cello and is gay? No. But that has more to do with the demand for access, and the ability of high and elite educational institutions to supply it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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