jefhon Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 First off: my timing belt is not that old 40 or 50k. I lost a little coolant & filled the reservoir 1x, 2x at most. It rained like monsoon (I'm in FL) and the belts started making squealy sounds like they often do after a hard rain...didn't think anything of it. Then the timing belt broke. In retrospect, some of the sounds I was hearing were not "the usual" sounds. So long story short; timing belt broke. I cranked the engine a few times after it broke but presumably nothing would turn@the engine w/a broken belt. There was coolant leaking from (as close as I can tell) right at or around the water pump. I'm speculating that the water pump seized but this is only a guess. My question is this: what are the chances that engine parts were damaged? and can I test the water pump for seize just by hand turning it? I'm not really equipped to do the work but if i can I will just cuz i'm so damned poor! (I have the tools; just not a good workspace...apt. living:( I have a good independent I trust if it comes to that so thats good. I'm just hoping I didn't toast my engine...any insight on this matter is greatly appreciated...I'm reading all I can on the matter. jeff
info2x Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 Our engines are interference engines so when the belt breaks your valves give your pistons a visit. The minimum you're looking at is new valves is my opinion.
Tightmopedman9 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 First off: my timing belt is not that old 40 or 50k. I lost a little coolant & filled the reservoir 1x, 2x at most. It rained like monsoon (I'm in FL) and the belts started making squealy sounds like they often do after a hard rain...didn't think anything of it. Then the timing belt broke. In retrospect, some of the sounds I was hearing were not "the usual" sounds. So long story short; timing belt broke. I cranked the engine a few times after it broke but presumably nothing would turn@the engine w/a broken belt. There was coolant leaking from (as close as I can tell) right at or around the water pump. I'm speculating that the water pump seized but this is only a guess. My question is this: what are the chances that engine parts were damaged? and can I test the water pump for seize just by hand turning it? I'm not really equipped to do the work but if i can I will just cuz i'm so damned poor! (I have the tools; just not a good workspace...apt. living:( I have a good independent I trust if it comes to that so thats good. I'm just hoping I didn't toast my engine...any insight on this matter is greatly appreciated...I'm reading all I can on the matter. jeff The valves won't turn but the crank/pistons will. Since your valves stay in the same place collision happens and it F's up your engine even more.
AverageVolvo Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 Sorry for your loss. Almost 100% certain you damaged some/all of the valves, especially since you tried cranking it several times. Pistons are probably ok, so you probably only need a Valve Job, Expect to pay apprx 400$ in machine work for the valve job$ as many of your valves wont be re-usable. + Some $$$ for the Labor on installing. Apprx 800-1000$ Sidenote: You should NEVER neglect oil/coolant leaks in the timing belt area,. for precisely this reason. @ The 140k Timing service you should replace the seals/waterpump tensioner roller etc.. Ie everything. All in all it will end up being around 1900$ with the new seals betls labor rebuilt cylinder head etc...
jefhon Posted March 30, 2011 Author Report Posted March 30, 2011 The valves won't turn but the crank/pistons will. Since your valves stay in the same place collision happens and it F's up your engine even more. thnx to both. thats what i figured. i'll call my indy today and pray to the money gods to rain. "side" note duly f-ing noted (curse at me). so what all does the 140k service list? i'll just ask my indy...he's trustworthy & experienced. thnx and lesson learned...a very f-ing valuable lesson jeff
AverageVolvo Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 thnx to both. thats what i figured. i'll call my indy today and pray to the money gods to rain. "side" note duly f-ing noted (curse at me). so what all does the 140k service list? i'll just ask my indy...he's trustworthy & experienced. thnx and lesson learned...a very f-ing valuable lesson jeff Order this http://www.fcpgroton...Water+Pump+Kit+ Sidenote: The timing kit is different for 93's also turbo and na are different for the 94-97's Best of luck
Jippi 855 GLT Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 early timing belt intervals were 40-50 k i believe. you may have cracked valve guides at the bent valves, it may be wiser to get a new head or a whole new motor. the NA motors are cheap so it maybe cheaper for a motor swap.
phunktified Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 just curious, did you see that the belt itself actually broke/snapped? or did it just come loose after a roller fell apart or whatnot ..
(n)A-GAME Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 Jack's right, it would probably be cheaper to just put in another NA motor. Since you're NA it can be knocked out in a weekend too.
jefhon Posted March 30, 2011 Author Report Posted March 30, 2011 just curious, did you see that the belt itself actually broke/snapped? or did it just come loose after a roller fell apart or whatnot .. @phunktified: i saw the belt & it was torn/ripped pretty good. wtf Jack's right, it would probably be cheaper to just put in another NA motor. Since you're NA it can be knocked out in a weekend too. roger on the motor swap suggestions. thats probably what i'll do. i'm checking the boards here too...
Speedbump Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 My question is this: what are the chances that engine parts were damaged? As noted by the experienced, seasoned gentleman here, as well as my current timing belt catastrophe, you're probably hosed. You asked for "any insight" so here's mine. You can get the fore mentioned timing belt kit, follow the timing belt installation information on this site, and set your timing properly. Water pump and tensioner pully, if intact, do not need replaced at this time. You just want to test, not run the car to McDonalds. But make sure the timing marks are set correctly, or else in the rare event if your valves weren't bent, they will be now. Now your answer to " how much damage" can be discovered with a $16 compression tester. You just pull your spark plugs , screw in the tester, and follow the directions on the package. Removing the fuel pump relay before your " dry spins" to get the compression readings is recommended. My vehicle did not lose a belt, the tensioner failed. So I just popped in the new tensioner from the kit and set timing with the old belt to do the compression test. I had ZERO compression on 2 cyls and 45PSI on another. I pulled the head and found what I expected... bent valves. Umm..oh yeah......you then install your new timing belt kit on your replacement engine. Or in my case, after your valve job,
SlapShot Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 Just in case jefhon or anyone else is wondering...this is the extent of the piston damage from my tensioner falling apart at highway speeds (75mph/~3k rpm). Damage is basically the same on the others. In retrospect i could have just tossed a rebuilt head on the engine after using some emery cloth to smooth out those burrs rather than swapping in another complete engine. Of course YMMV. Sorry to hear tho...been there, it sucks.
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misa Posted March 31, 2011 Report Posted March 31, 2011 ...It rained like monsoon (I'm in FL) and the belts started making squealy sounds like they often do after a hard rain...didn't think anything of it. Then the timing belt broke. Timing belt will not squeal before it fails,but serpentine belt will. Are you sure that you have timing belt failed instead of serpentine belt? Timing belt is located under the plastic cover and it's not visible.The only belt which is visible is serpentine belt.
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