Che'_Moderator Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 There are threads on this popping up everywhere. I am seeing your comments on Volvospeed/30Forty50/V70R, other sites, Facebook and in private messages. What I think you all need to remember is to not celebrate the death of a man, but celebrate the end of fear and torment he has caused countless people. At the end of the day its not the man we hate, but his actions. Do not let his actions turn us into the very thing we hate. America already has strong devision lines dawn. Let us not deepen those by confusing what we are celebrating. I believe it was Tim Collins who said, "But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Hate what the person does not the person themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64pvolvo1800 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 There are threads on this popping up everywhere. I am seeing your comments on Volvospeed/30Forty50/V70R, other sites, Facebook and in private messages. What I think you all need to remember is to not celebrate the death of a man, but celebrate the end of fear and torment he has caused countless people. At the end of the day its not the man we hate, but his actions. Do not let his actions turn us into the very thing we hate. America already has strong devision lines dawn. Let us not deepen those by confusing what we are celebrating. I believe it was Tim Collins who said, "But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory". Well stated and excellent point. The raving and celebrating turns us into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 There are threads on this popping up everywhere. I am seeing your comments on Volvospeed/30Forty50/V70R, other sites, Facebook and in private messages. What I think you all need to remember is to not celebrate the death of a man, but celebrate the end of fear and torment he has caused countless people. At the end of the day its not the man we hate, but his actions. Do not let his actions turn us into the very thing we hate. America already has strong devision lines dawn. Let us not deepen those by confusing what we are celebrating. I believe it was Tim Collins who said, "But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory". said like a true hippy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 said like a true hippy. At first I thought his head should be on a pike ( Vlad the Impaler style) at ground zero. Then I heard they gave him a proper Muslim burial at sea and was a bit outraged at that. But then I thought it was cool cuz then they cant build a shrine to the POS. Then I realized we helped bread his mentality. Then I thought it must have been strange to be the SEAL that pulled the trigger. Then I was glad he was dead and not caught alive, to have a platform here, and stir more hatred. Then I realized he wasn't important and a cowardly person. And that it wouldnt matter one lick that he was dead, they will carry on anyway with their 7th century barbarism. Then I was pissed that Hope and Change got credit for pushing the go button, when he opposed the hole thing to begin with. Then I felt sad that an American kid is gonna be scarred for life cuz he's gonna have to shoot a boatload of those animals. I don't hate, I'm too pragmatic. But it felt good to watch and thought it justified, the crowds cheering at ball parks, in Manhattan, in DC, cheering and jumping around like... the Muslims did around the world on 9/11, when the Towers came down. Are we like them now? When can we stop killing them? When will they stop hating us? Probably never. That saddens me. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 the Muslims did around the world on 9/11, when the Towers came down. Are we like them now? When can we stop killing them? When will they stop hating us? Probably never. That saddens me. It makes us exactly like them. I am glad he is burried at sea and recieved the correct last rites. What I am not sure about is why we did it instead of handing him over to a muslim country to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 It makes us exactly like them. I am glad he is burried at sea and recieved the correct last rites. What I am not sure about is why we did it instead of handing him over to a muslim country to do it. Because no one wanted his carcass. Could you imagine the security issues with an annual pilgrimage to his shrine? I kinda of disagree with you. These fanatics claim God as their motive. We claim peace and 'democracy'. By the way, what happened to you? Normally I would expect you would be bullish on this op, and disappointed they didn't turn the whole region into a pile of glass. I am being restrained and pensive myself. I have enough trouble reigning in emotions. I'm all about killing 'em all and letting Allah sort it out. My wife lost a good friend on the 102 floor, and one of my best friends was on a ferry heading to the WTC from Jersey City, he was late and missed the earlier boat. He lost many of his co workers, changed him forever. I was working in Westchester county, I could see plumes of smoke, and 5-6 guys on the job were rushing to get to their volunteer fire houses in the area. I heard scanner reports first hand. Chilling. How many soldiers are we going to sacrifice? They wont quit, and dont care about a time line. If it takes 1000 years, they will eventually own us. They are willing to die, give up their children and husbands for Allah. Are we that committed? All it takes is a community, like in Michigan or Virginia, to elect a town councilman, then a congress man or a senator, appoint a judge,then ...Sharia. Dismal. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 And the klan will not be happy until the whole world is white. Every group has its radicals. I lost several friends that day, but I also made several friends from over there. The media is the only one who wins from any of this. I agree that a lot of people walking this world need to die, and I am/was more than happy to do it. That does not mean I am going to celebrate the actual act of taking a life though. When it becomes easy and revenge feels like justice, thats when we have become "them". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 What I am not sure about is why we did it instead of handing him over to a muslim country to do it. Because he needed to be buried within 24 hours of death and it couldn't be arranged for a country to take him within that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyROTech Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 OK, why the -1 ? Not that I give a shit, give me -100. Just dont troll, and not comment on what I said that pissed you off or what you find offensive in your little world. I speak reality, not fantasy. I revel in no mans death. I wish it was all ponies and clowns, but its not. I find revenge cheap and undignified, but like Chuck says, its easy to cross the line and lose your moral hi ground. We didn't volunteer to wear the uniform to kill. We did it to defend and uphold the Constitution. And some of us enjoy shooting tank cannons at old mail trucks...but I enlisted in 1980, right after Carter fucked up Iran, and Reagan was elected. It was a patriotic move by me. With a free education thrown in. Ive never pointed a weapon at a human, and I'm sure it would be difficult to pull the trigger, but its someones job to do that, and that's what training is all about. I say again, its sad a kid has to drop these guys when called upon. But they are asking for it by not living within the boundaries of a civil society. I could go on about philosophy, mindset, and duty, but I wont. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 I wonder how Marcus Luttrell feels today. Read the book, Lone Survivor, to get a glimpse of what the military have been dealing with. It is no small satisfaction to know that we can finally do what needs to be done from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Because he needed to be buried within 24 hours of death and it couldn't be arranged for a country to take him within that time. A week was not enough time? The reasons had nothing to do with sunset.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 A week was not enough time? The reasons had nothing to do with sunset.... 24 hours is a Muslim rule apparently, not something they made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 24 hours is a Muslim rule apparently, not something they made up. A week was not enough time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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