PyROTech Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 im sure most people when reading the topic title thought it was a thread about guns. I choose not to include a poll in this thread due to the many different dynamics of the topic. Im writing this b/c of something that has being going around the province of Ontario and probably other parts of the world for some time. Crime has been a problem in my life for along time. And many of the bylaws seem to relate to persons engaged in criminal activity. But the bylaws relate to property owners who themselves engaged in self preservation measures. It comes down to the trend of "fortification bylaw" laws. Most of the members on this board are american. And maybe some of this doesnt apply to you. this is an example of whats going on... http://www.oshawa.ca...rtification.pdf highlighted notes... "Excessive Fortification" and "Excessively Fortify" means the Construction of devices, barriers or materials applied to Land and includes but is not limited to: i) the Application of steel plates, steel bars, bullet-resistant shutters, laminated glass or heavy gauge wire mesh to a window, door or any other opening on any level of any building or structure other than the basement level of such building or structure; ii) the Application of concrete block, brick, or other masonry or similar product to partially or completely obstruct or seal any window, door or other exterior entrance or egress to Land; iii) the Application of steel sheeting or plates or other similar products to the interior or exterior walls of a building or structure such as to reinforce walls or create a secondary wall such as to protect against firearms artillery, explosives, vehicle contact, shock, and any other similar intrusions; iv) armour plated or reinforced doors, whether exterior or interior, designed to resist against impact of firearms artillery, explosives, battering rams, shock or vehicle contact; v) pillars, cones or barriers Constructed of concrete, steel, or any other building material that are designed to obstruct, hinder, restrict, or deny access to Land by conventional means of access or modes of transportation; and vi) an observation tower designed to enable a visual observation of surrounding areas beyond the perimeter of the Land whether the tower is occupied by an individual or a surveillance camera or like equipment. "Excessive Protective Elements" means devices, objects, material components, or any contrivance applied to Land and includes but is not limited to the Application of: i) perimeter warning devices such as "laser eyes" or other types of advanced warning systems designed to forewarn of the encroachment onto the perimeter of Land from adjoining lands or roadways but excluding similar applications to forewarn of entry into a building or structure on Land; ii) electrified fencing or other similar barrier including hidden traps, electrified doors or windows, land mines or other explosive devices or any weapon or thing that may cause injury or death when triggered or activated; and iii) visual surveillance equipment, including video cameras, night vision systems, or electronic surveillance devices capable of permitting either stationary or scanned viewing or listening beyond the perimeter of the Land. This is the part that provides for what you would assume to be an exclusion to the above, yet its up to interpretation. Section 2.2 does not prohibit: (a) the use or Application of commercially marketed security devices designed and applied to provide reasonable protection from theft or other criminal activity against a Person or property of a Person; (the reasonable use of Protective Elements such as a "laser eye" or other advance warning devices on windows or doors of a dwelling for the purpose of providing a warning to an occupant of the dwelling or of dispatching emergency services personnel where an entry into a dwelling has occurred; or © a "normal farm practice" as defined in subsection 1(1) of the Farming and Food Production Protection Act, 1998, S.O. 1998, c.1. Interesting part... Application for Partial or Complete Exemption 6.1. Any Person wishing to obtain a partial or complete exemption from the provisions of this Bylaw must file with the Chief Building Official a written application containing at least the following: (a) date of application; ( proof that the Person is the sole owner of the Land or, alternatively, each owner’s written authorization to submit the application; © the Land’s legal description and municipal address; (d) particulars of the existing use(s) of the Land, and of the intended use(s) if any change in use is anticipated; (e) a sketch or survey of the Land and structures; (f) particulars of all existing and proposed Fortification and Protective Elements including the date or dates of Application of existing Fortification and Protective Elements; (g) particulars of each exemption requested including the reasons for requesting the exemption; and (h) payment of the fee from time to time prescribed by the City’s General Fees and Charges By-law 13-2003, as amended or superseded. 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AverageVolvo Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 WOW and they don't let you have guns IIRC (except hunting rifles) Dam I though California was bad I intend on keeping what I have earned at nearly any cost. Better build a fall-out shelter while you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Dude, just move already. You should probably just vacate America Jr. and move up to the big leagues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Does your breaching crew have a $10 budget? Needs more winches and jackhammers. Weaksauce. Like a crack dealer holed up in his house is going to pay attention to rules about fortification How does a warrant serving go? Knock knock, open uh in der, eh? I like the way SWAT does it. Shout "police" while dropping a 50lb concrete log through your door, deploy a flash bang, and toss all those confused poor fuckers face first in to the floor at gun point. If surveillance indicates the door is "fortified", arrive with a truck and a winch. Hook it up, hit the gas, and proceed shouting "police" as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyROTech Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Does your breaching crew have a $10 budget? Needs more winches and jackhammers. Weaksauce. Like a crack dealer holed up in his house is going to pay attention to rules about fortification How does a warrant serving go? Knock knock, open uh in der, eh? I like the way SWAT does it. Shout "police" while dropping a 50lb concrete log through your door, deploy a flash bang, and toss all those confused poor fuckers face first in to the floor at gun point. If surveillance indicates the door is "fortified", arrive with a truck and a winch. Hook it up, hit the gas, and proceed shouting "police" as usual. your assuming its a one story bungalo. Imagine the fun with breaching the first floor only to find each floor entrance has a new set of fun, all the way to the 4th. edited part: btw im not concerned about cops and trucks and the man power for that. Im concerned about that crack dealer that is holed up, deciding its time to acquire a new tv from my house with a couple of friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 So like I said, that law only hurts legal citizens. Troublemakers won't be following those rules. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyROTech Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 So like I said, that law only hurts legal citizens. Troublemakers won't be following those rules. wow, the words i was looking for. Also applies to the stupid long gun registry. How many gang bangers are buying guns legally and registering them? Basically these laws make honest citizens into criminals. i have now seen what could happen in canada... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 looks like a home invasion invitation, I could get into your house with a 16 oz hammer. Its not intended to weaken you against illegal intruders its to facilitate ease of entry for Government entities. Scary ass shit, real scary. That is some of the dumbest shit I have ever read. Ban bolt locks on the doors, better yet ban doors. No I got it, hang a key on a nail outside the door. Cuz thats what dat is. No cctv cams, no IR motion detectors, thats half of a good home security system. I install that shiit for a living, so imagine the jobs lost by killing that market? Canada is going to get invaded by Iceland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyROTech Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 today, minivan had someone in it. Called police, finger prints should actually prove good this time around. Van is sitting in driveway awaiting cops... camera has video of places of fingers. Great facial of person!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobT5M Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Great facial of person!!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyROTech Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 cops came this morning, got very little. It aint like on tv. Alot of photos and filling out cards and taking photos of the cards, then more photos of the cards they fill out (documentation if something ever turns up). Got some prints, but then again it could be mine or anyone that has touched the van. Gave them the video and still photos. They send it off, and i guess i just wait. Im not very hopefull. I was hoping a nice 5 finger smudge free hand would be on the door, but no luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 IT aint like CSI Toronto...unfortunately. Sorry for the hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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