Fudge_Brownie Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 This Week's OverreactionsSchools go into lockdown over a thermometer, a car backfiring, a bank robbery a few blocks away, a student alone in a gym, a neighbor on the street, and some vague unfounded rumors. And one high-school kid was arrested for drawing pictures of guns. Everywhere else, post-traumatic stupidity syndrome. (It's not a new phrase -- Google shows hits back to 2001 -- but it's new to me. It reminds me of this.) I think of it as: "Something must be done. This is something. Therefore, we must do it."Many of those words are linked to articles backing them up, visit the source link:http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/12/this_weeks_over.htmlA school near-by me is not permitting backpacks today for an identical reason to Mike's kid's school. People are paranoid, and kids also know how to exploit that to get the day off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 who says buybacks wont work. people even took IOU's. A state-sponsored cash-for-guns program for Camden County residents picked up 1,137 firearms over two days, a record number for the state, officials said Tuesday. New Jersey's attorney general said some of the gun owners who showed up at two Camden churches Friday and Saturday appeared to be motivated by the mass killings Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. http://www.officer.com/news/10844549/new-jersey-gun-buyback-gets-record-participation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Moo Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Buybacks sound wonderful in the paper, truth of the matter is that your person who is using a gun for his own criminal good isn't participating. They might as well have a hugging festival, it's only in place to make people feel good. Two years ago they did a buyback in Detroit with interesting results. 1. Two gangbangers dusted a car full of other thug types.....to steal their guns. They then gave the guns to relatives for the buyback. 2. They publicized the buyback five days before, in that five days gun thefts were up somewhere around 300% above normal. As said before, guns aren't the problem. People are. I could go downtown right now with a machete and chop up as many people as I wanted...BUT a lot of people around here carry, so I'd likely get shot after a few. Look at Chicago and their screwed up gun laws, guns are running the southside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaskMule Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 TaskMule, on 19 Dec 2012 - 17:24, said: I have been promoting well thought out improvements all along, and I still do, despite the resistance I am met with here. No you haven't. You've been promoting that we do "something" as if we all don't want to do anything. Yet you haven't promoted ANY ideas. Not just bad ones, you've promoted nothing. I, as a negative nancy, have promoted more gun control ideas than you. I don't want to die after I piss off some teenage wasteland and the nutjob shoots up my office. Few people enjoy carrying a concealed weapon; logistically and sometimes literally it is a pain in the ass. A safer world makes life easier for all of us. Adding more guns will not make your world safer. It hasn't yet, so...why would it start now? You are kidding yourself. I'll repeat what I've said a few times already, one more time, maybe it will sink in; What I am promoting and hoping for is, for the people whose JOB it is to legislate to come up some well thought out plans to improve the situation. Get it now? I don't have answers myself, and I never said I had answers. I am promoting thoughtful and sane lawmaking, by those who's job it is, nothing more. For me to suggest any laws is pointless, this is a car forum, and as far as I know, lawmakers do not hang out here looking for idea's to take to work. I hope that clears things up. The NRA spoke today. I sat in disbelief at what I heard, and turned it off in disgust after about 5 minutes. So much for sane, progressive or thoughtful solutions from the powers that be. The NRA sees adding more guns as the solution. Guns are what got the USA into this sh*t-pile in the first place. Their proposal is the very definition of insanity itself; doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results. "This lemonade is too sweet. Ok, I'll add more sugar, that will fix it." Good luck with that line of thinking. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted December 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Mike will be so happy to have his buddy back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 TaskMule says he calls for legislators to fix the problem.Says he isn't the right person to suggest solutions, it should be people educated on the topic, right?NRA, a popular lobby group with a strong background in gun safety, and strong influence on our government suggests a solution.TaskMule says that's not the right fix, but he's still not the person to be making these decisions?We agree then. We both would like to fix the problem, but neither of us have heard a solution yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyROTech Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 taskmule, go answer my post. What if i smashed your car window every month, what if i broke into your house and threatened you and your family. Go ahead and claim that you dont support guns. When this happens to you year after year, i dare you to tell me that i dont have the right to defend myself and my property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaskMule Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Correct. We seem to be on the same page. All except that part about the NRA. Their strong influence on your Gov't is a large part of the USA's gun problem, as history indicates. They promote firearms, and the firearms problems mount = D'Uh. Their popularity isn't a sign of legitimacy, good education or good leadership either. From what I see, they run on, and promote a culture of fear, and they have a lot of you convinced that guns make things "safer", as shown by your remarkably high gun to resident ratio. 50 billion flies think eating sh*t is a good idea too, but I'm not going to be doing that, simply based on it's popularity. Thumbs down to the NRA. Pure hill-billy evil in my eyes. Like everyone else here, it's unlikely my opinion can be changed on this serious matter. So, best of luck everyone, whichever side you pull for. I'm all done with this thread. Thanks for the interesting chat. Back to cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 What I am convinced of, is not necessarily that guns make things safer. However, taking guns away from law abiding citizens does nothing. Like was said earlier in this thread, if someone could wave a wand and POOF all guns were gone, that wouldn't be bad. With that said, I just bought one.. my only reason: Because everyone else is too. Which brings another point, you guys been to a gun shop lately? Tried to buy an AR? They are all sold out. That should be scarier than anything. In fact, I would love to see what gun sales are right now, because a lot of things are sold out. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Saw a shocking piece on CNN while I was at the gym that talked about Walmart selling guns. They said the AR's are all selling out. It was amazingly biased "journalism" where they tried to equate the term semi-automatic with assault weapon, and literally asked the Walmart rep if they felt any guilt for selling guns that might have been used in murders like this one. Even though the voice-over established at the very beginning that none of the murder weapons were bought at Walmart. I seriously don't know why anyone would watch them as an actual news source.The only thing they are good for is Anderson Cooper and a couple of his friendly cohosts interviewing victims and not being dicks about it. But fuck, I can hold a mic and ask how you feel, that's barely journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 down the road from me the other day. HOLLIDAYSBURG, Pa. (AP) — A man fatally shot a woman decorating for a children's Christmas party at a tiny church hall and killed two men elsewhere in a rural township on Friday before he was shot dead in a gunfight with state troopers. is every excuse you guys use going to be crazies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Killing is as old as history Mike. Whats your point? Anyone looking for ARs that cannot find one, PM me. Same for most other firearms. I have enough channels and resources I can still get pretty much anything. My gift to Volvospeed, I will arm you 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 the point of that one, it isn't some CHILD with a mental defect. good old fashioned hunting and killing i'm sure when she left her house to decorate at a CHURCH, she wouldn't be mowed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 You familiar with battered women, domestic abuse, etc? Cause that happens way more than any US shootings. And if he didn't have a gun, you don't think he would have just choked her instead? I know speculation is pretty poor argument, but both are points are speculative.OH, and you totally should provide links when pasting new content. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 OK: CUMBERLAND - We're following a murder investigation this morning. Police say a man admits he strangled his wife. It happened at 921 Washington Cove Lane in Cumberland. Police arrested 68-year-old Chun Shik Shin. He told officers he killed his wife after an argument. http://www.wthr.com/story/19615224/man-admits-he-strangled-his-wife-to-death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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