Us Assault Weapon Ban **read First**

[550]

• Possession of hollow point bullets and similar assault bullets a felony.
• Must register and report ammo purchases. Only purchase max 500 rounds.
• 10 round magazine limit
• ALL magazines must be fixed to the gun (can not be removed without the use of a tool)
• 100% prohibition of all magazines greater than 10 rounds. All previous grandfathered magazines become illegal. Felony if you keep one.
• Changing definition of shotgun revolving cylinder — Basically only single shot shotguns will remain legal.
• Bullet Buttons will become illegal — All AR and AK style rifles that are currently equipped with them will be designated Assault Weapons. Felony to possess.
• All gun owners now must be licensed like drivers.
• All gun owners must carry gun liability insurance

Copy paste from reddit what some say Cali wants. If that is true you can literally slap the world assault on anything now to make it sound evil. "Assault bullets"

Yeah... what a joke. Shoot FMJ rounds are start killing multiple's with one bullet.

[Commander Riker]

This isn't about protecting the childrens. It's about disarming the public slowly over time so that when it hits the fan, the government can keep control.

Oh... and guns are scary, again.

[caanglin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYmDEIH4H3A

[Commander Riker]

See. He said it too. "Guns scare us."

I guess I don't relate with the fear that people seem to have of weapons.

Then he says guns are not a defensive weapon... but an offensive weapon to intimidate... then immediately states that officers carry guns to do their job. So intimidate??

Wow... they couldn't have picked a more terrible spokes person.

[caanglin]

Other states are trying to get rid of guns but good ol' GA wants them in schools.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/bill-to-arm-school-employees-passes-committee/nWMtf/

[Commander Riker]

Other states are trying to get rid of guns but good ol' GA wants them in schools.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/bill-to-arm-school-employees-passes-committee/nWMtf/

I actually think arming school employees with firearms is a bad idea. Then all a person has to do is overpower that employee, and they have access to the firearm. Plus, I want our schools to be less like prisons, and more like schools.

I would submit having a conceal carry of non-lethal means for support staff only. That way, you don't know who has it or who doesn't, and they aren't brandished for intimidation reasons.

[caanglin]

I will be honest I am little iffy on it. My main reason for it is if something goes bad and a kid is shot with one of those guns, you will have this same BS all over again. The local schools I went to all had a single police officer who just hung out during school hours which I had and still have zero problems with. In larger counties/cities I could see that getting expensive though.

[caanglin]

CLEVELAND - The Ohio Attorney General's Office says their investigation into the Nov. 29 chase turned deadly shooting shows a "systemic failure" in the Cleveland Police Department.

Mike DeWine detailed the events of that fatal night, saying many police policies were discarded and the system failed everyone.

"We have violations all over the place, a lack of command and control," DeWine explained.

"By failing to provide adequate structure and support, the system failed the officers," he continued. "The number of vehicles involved contributed to crossfire that risked the lives of many, many officers. It's a miracle officers weren't killed."

According to Cleveland police policy, officers are not supposed to join a pursuit without permission from a supervisor. Of the 62 officers involved, 59 of them never asked permission to join the chase, DeWine said.

The investigation also revealed the pursuit lasted 22 minutes, reached speeds in excess of 100 miles per hour, and that suspects Timothy Russell, who was intoxicated and had cocaine in his system, and Malissa Williams, who also had cocaine in her system and was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, never had a weapon.

DeWine's team searched the suspect's vehicle, surrounding areas of the chase along with the chase route. They also used a metal detector and searched for a weapon in storm drains and waterways, but no weapons were ever found.

We also learned that gunshot residue tests "reveal nothing" about whether Russell and Williams had and/or fired guns. It's because the residue found on them and the vehicle "likely" came from police who fired at them from close range.

Audible gunfire from the first shot to the last was 17.8 seconds, DeWine said.

Also detailed during the nearly two-hour news conference was some of the radio traffic that revealed one officer asking for stop sticks but a supervisor saying they didn't have any that worked -- their last pair "broke" three years ago. We also heard that officers who thought Russell's car may have backfired, "failed to radio that belief."

Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Tim McGinty said friendly-fire "tore up police vehicles." He also called it a miracle that police burials didn't follow the chase.

"What you have just heard is a tragedy. A tragedy for Russell, Williams and their families," DeWine said. "Make no mistake about it, this is also tough for each officer involved."

Many of the officers told investigators they were frightened and legitimately feared for their lives. The temperament at the scene was quiet and somber. After, officers were in a state of shock, looking at each other for injuries and bullet holes.

Officer Michael Brelo, according to his account, climbed onto the trunk and then the top of a patrol car and reloaded his gun, firing 49 rounds. An Iraq war veteran, the officer said he saw "the suspects moving and I could not understand why they are still moving, shooting at us. Even through Iraq, I never fired my weapon. I never have been so afraid in my life."

Normally, the AG's investigation isn't made public and is given to the prosecuting attorney. "But there was nothing normal about this case," DeWine said.

McGinty will now look at the 290-page report and present the findings to a grand jury for possible charges, noting it "will take time" to go through the documents.

DeWine's office posted all of the documents related to this case online, which includes interview transcripts, diagrams and other information gathered during the investigation. Check out the files here: http://on.wews.com/XlTz5z

137 bullets for two people.

[flyfishing3]

Looks like wayne has all the answers. Man you gun guys need to get him out.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/wayne-lapierre-gangs-terrorists-and-debt-riots.php

Latin gangs will be the end of us all, no police so we all need to pack heaters lol

[caanglin]

I don't know any NRA members. NRA is for profits not rights.

At least we don't have Demand a Plan.

Edited February 14, 2013 by fivex84

[ErikS]

Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.

And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.

If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.

Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.

The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes.

Notice that the recommendation doesn’t call for parents to simply lock up their guns. It stresses that the weapons need to be taken out of the house.

Study after study has been conducted on the health risks associated with guns in the home. One of the latest was a meta-reviewpublished in 2011 by David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. He examined all the scientific literature to date on the health risks and benefits of gun ownership.

What he found was sobering, to say the least.

To begin with, having a gun in the home is a risk factor for serious accidental injury and death. As Hemenway points out, death certificate data indicate that 680 Americans were killed accidentally with guns each year between 2003 and 2007. Half those victims were under the age of 25.

Children aged 5 to 14 in the United States are 11 times more likely to die from an accidental gunshot wound than children in other developed countries.

Nonfatal gun injuries occur at the average rate of 20 a day in the United States — and that doesn’t include pellet-gun injuries (which average 45 day) or injuries that don’t involve a bullet wound (like powder burns and recoil injuries).

“One study of nonfatal accidental shootings found that the majority were self- inflicted, most involved handguns, and more than one third of the injuries required hospitalization,” writes Hemenway. “Injuries often occurred during fairly routine gun handling — cleaning a gun, loading and unloading, target shooting, and so on.”

An average of 46 Americans committed suicide with guns each day between 2003 and 2007. In fact, more Americans killed themselves with guns during those years than with all other

methods combined.

Gun owners and their families are not more suicidal than non-gun-owners, research shows. No are they more likely to have a history of depression or other mental health problems.

But they — and their families — are at significantly increased risk of successfully taking their lives with a gun. The reason: Guns are more lethal than other methods.

One study found, reports Hemenway, that “in states with more guns, there were more suicides (because there were more firearm suicides), even after controlling for the percentage of the state’s population with serious mental illness, alcohol dependence or abuse, illicit substance dependence or abuse, and the percentage unemployed, living below the poverty level, and in urban areas.”

But “there was no association between gun prevalence and a state’s nonfirearm suicide rate,” he adds.

Two-thirds of all murders between 2003 and 2007 involved guns. The average number of Americans shot and killed daily during those years was 33. Of those, one was a child (0 to 14 years), five were teenagers (15 to 19 years) and seven were young adults (20 to 24 years), on average.

Children in the U.S. get murdered with guns at a rate that is 13 times higher than that of other developed nations. For our young people aged 15 to 24, the rate is 43 times higher.

“The presence of a gun makes quarrels, disputes, assaults, and robberies more deadly. Many murders are committed in a moment of rage,” writes Hemenway.

“For example, a large percentage of homicides — and especially homicides in the home — occur during altercations over matters such as love, money, and domestic problems, involving acquaintances, neighbors, lovers, and family members; often the assailant or victim has been drinking. Only a small minority of homicides appear to be the carefully planned acts of individuals with a single-minded intention to kill. Most gun killings are indistinguishable from nonfatal gun shootings; it is just a question of the caliber of the gun, whether a vital organ is hit, and how much time passes before medical treatment arrives.”

The possible health benefits of gun ownership are twofold: deterring crime and stopping crimes in progress. But there are no credible studies, says Hemenway, that higher levels of gun ownership actually do these things.

“The main reason people give for having a handgun in the home is protection, typically against stranger violence,” he writes. “However, it is important to recognize that the home is a relatively safe place, especially from strangers. For example, fewer than 30% of burglaries in the United States (2003-2007) occur when someone is at home. In the 7% of burglaries when violence does occur, the burglar is more likely to be an intimate (current or former) and also more likely to be a relative or known acquaintance than a stranger. Although people typically spend most of their time at home, only 5% of all the crimes of violence perpetrated by strangers occur at home.”

In fact, adds Hemenway, research shows that most self-defense use of guns is not socially desirable. He describes one study in which “criminal court judges from across the United States read the 35 descriptions of the reported self-defense firearm uses from 2 national surveys and found that, even if description of the event was accurate, in most of the cases, the self-defense gun use was probably illegal. Many were arguments that escalated into gun use.”

“There are real and imaginary situations when it might be beneficial to have a gun in the home,” Hemenway concludes. “For example, in the Australian film Mad Max, where survivors of the apocalypse seem to have been predominantly psychopathic male bikers, having a loaded gun would seem to be very helpful for survival, and public health experts would probably advise people in that world to obtain guns.”

“However, for most contemporary Americans, the scientific studies suggest that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit,” he adds. “There are no credible studies that indicate otherwise.

Listening to the story of the Blade Runner shooting his girlfriend, and ended up finding some interesting stats.

Source - http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/5/6/502

[Che'_Moderator]

"The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns."

Duh!

Suicide should not even count against the firearm fatality stat. IMHO if you want to off yourself, you should be considerate and do it in a cleaner way but whatever. Second, I will just say it. Keep firearms away from poor people and this would never happen.

[ErikS]

I agree with you on all three counts Chuck, but its also making a clear statement. If you want to reduce your risk of you or a family member being shot (suicide or not), don't own a gun.

[caanglin]

NY is awesome.

City says cops had no duty to protect subway hero who subdued killer.

"the police had no “special duty” to protect him or any individual on the train that day."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/to_serve_but_not_protect_Qr3ume5gEhMhtg8LvHgzAI

[Commander Riker]

Guys.. guys... guys.... seriously. Guns... are scary lookin'.