Che'_Moderator Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I'm going to vote No: Other, based on my opinion that I don't see how restricting you from owning the "best" guns really matters, but you can have one that's 70% as good. And you could still buy pre-ban weapons. Pretty sure the recent CT shooting was strictly pistols, the VT tech was pistols. Wackos with guns still kill people, and they seem to have been able to do it with saddening efficiency no matter the weapon. So there's my unscientific opinion Your poll asks "based on it did/didn't save lives". Do you expect people will have hard evidence of this? Or just defend their opinion? I was pissing on Mikes cheerios about this. CT School event was with a .223 which never has been a military round. Its almost about the smallest center fire round you can buy both in size and power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyROTech Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) I'm going to vote No: Other, based on my opinion that I don't see how restricting you from owning the "best" guns really matters, but you can have one that's 70% as good. And you could still buy pre-ban weapons. Pretty sure the recent CT shooting was strictly pistols, the VT tech was pistols. Wackos with guns still kill people, and they seem to have been able to do it with saddening efficiency no matter the weapon. So there's my unscientific opinion Your poll asks "based on it did/didn't save lives". Do you expect people will have hard evidence of this? Or just defend their opinion? I was pissing on Mikes cheerios about this. CT School event was with a .223 which never has been a military round. Its almost about the smallest center fire round you can buy both in size and power. it appears this guy used what was available to him. It could have been a shotgun, had that been what was at home. The death toll was so high b/c it was small children and it was shooting fish in a barrel. On the topic of banning only the good guns, in canada they ban item based on looks, not necessarily performance. http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/05/feds-ban-ak-47-look-alike http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/01/10/government-to-gun-owners-we-made-a-mistake-fix-it-for-us-or-go-to-prison/ edited part: turns out he also had a shotgun in the car Edited December 16, 2012 by PyROTech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 According to the coroner, as Chuck stated, the Bushmaster .223 (an AR-15 model) was the primary weapon and it sounds like he used soft point or hollow point ammunition. He had multiple magazines and did not use all of them before he offed himself. Coward killed himself once he heard the LEO coming for him. Sounds like there were 4 educators he was after and he got three of them. I'm expecting to hear a line on his difficulty in dealing with authority at some point. I view the ownership of an AR-15 the same way I thought of my roommates' AK-47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 According to the coroner, as Chuck stated, the Bushmaster .223 (an AR-15 model) was the primary weapon and it sounds like he used soft point or hollow point ammunition. Which is also ironic as NATO has banned the use of hollow points for decades. As for legitimate hunting use of AR15, it is probably the most common weapon use to hunt wild boar. Super common to see .458SOCOM and .50BEOWULF hog guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I never said there weren't legitimate uses - his mother wasn't going boar hunting though. She was a survivalist nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prasamin Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 this is a stupid poll, because anyone who claims that repassing it makes sense should be in a mental health institution, right where Lanza and others should have been. we have these things called amendments to the constitution. if you're arguing that it's your 2nd amendment right to bear arms, I argue that it's the right for people to vote to amend that stupid amendment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 this is a stupid poll, because anyone who claims that repassing it makes sense should be in a mental health institution. Mike and a fair number of politicians wanted to resign it in 2004, and want to re-enact it now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaskMule Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I agree that anything done, right now, in a knee jerk reaction, will in essence do nothing but make people feel better. Given the amount of bad news regarding rapid fire random killing in the last few years, it's hardly a knee-jerk reaction that's coming. More like long overdue. Something is going to be done. Just watch. How effective it is against America's the love of their guns is another story. It comes down to "freedom" for a some, or increased safety for most. Interesting times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 my position: Nothing you can say nothing you can show me nothing you can do will change my opinion on ASSAULT or ASSAULT"""style""" weapons. NO CITIZEN needs these weapons. And they are weapons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyROTech Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 everyone go back to muskets and problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Way to not even answer the question Mike. So what do you propose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 the question is full of bias and is a trick. NONE means NONE. not games with grips caliber barrel length.etc. CIVILIANS do not need HIGH POWERED guns for the most part and def not semi auto as far as that goes and nobody needs a 30 round clip period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 the question is full of bias and is a trick. NONE means NONE. not games with grips caliber barrel length.etc. CIVILIANS do not need HIGH POWERED guns for the most part. and nobody needs a 30 round clip period. There should be no cancer out there. None. Ban cancer. No one should have it..... What are you doing to do about the 100 million plus already out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 i don't believe in stop signs, should we get rid of all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Given the amount of bad news regarding rapid fire random killing in the last few years, it's hardly a knee-jerk reaction that's coming. More like long overdue. Something is going to be done. Just watch. How effective it is against America's the love of their guns is another story. It comes down to "freedom" for a some, or increased safety for most. Interesting times.But what is that "something"? That's wonderful, I think we'd alllll like to see a way to prevent these problems. But I think I speak for a lot of the opponents when I say no one has proposed an effective method yet. People's desire to come up with a fix is understandable. But you can't just "do something" for the sake of not doing nothing. That doesn't make it work. That doesn't mean it will help. Mike, what do you define as assault "style"? How much does clip-size really matter if you're quick with a reload? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty much every modern pistol out there is a semi-auto. You saying we need to get rid of all those too? Not being sarcastic, just what to understand what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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