flyfishing3 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 heard an interesting stat from rendell(who i don't like) 40% of all gun related crimes in philly were from straw purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Riker Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA Thanks for posting this video. I like vice, and really like what Cody is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 heard an interesting stat from rendell(who i don't like) 40% of all gun related crimes in philly were from straw purchases. They are either mis-using the term or this proves my point. Straw purchase is when you purchase a firearm with the intent to sell it to someone else without a back ground check. If I buy a pistol and just give it to you as a gift Mike, it is not a straw purchase. If I have a pistol just laying around I sell to you it is also not a straw purchase. It is already illegal to straw purchase in every state. Usually its done because someone say military wants to buy out of state and is not allowed to. Other times it is the more classical sense of a drug dealer with a record wants a buddy to make a purchase. Either way, this makes my point. According to your stat at the least 40% of firearms used in crimes were ALREADY illegal. You bring up a good point though. How retarded is it that most of the military cannot buy hand guns legally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 You bring up a good point though. How retarded is it that most of the military cannot buy hand guns legally? Why? What is the rationalization? Is it a federal or State or military driven policy? Isn't this just about PCS and Permanent Duty Station? Or are you talking about the idea that an 18 year old kid who joins up cannot purchase a handgun until he reaches the legal age according to the State where he is permanently stationed? Because I don't have an issue there. Active Duty status doesn't make you exempt to State laws and if the military wants you have a handgun when you are actually in need of one then they should give you one. It's no different for LEO from my knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Answer: Buy and build more weapons, then crooks and psychos cant get 'em. I live in CT, some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Chicago and DC even tougher. Most murders in US? Chicago is #1. DC is close. I work in Sandy Hook. Pistol permit applications in town were up 143% since 12/14/12. The shit don't work, like the war on drugs, the war on poverty and the Dept of Education. You wanna stop violent crime? Strengthen the family unit. Get Uncle Sam out of the nanny business, and get fathers to do their jobs in the home. Stop rewarding out of wedlock births with no accountability. Change the educational monopolistic lock on our children's education If some elite fuckcongreswoman told my wife to blow here whistle or piss on her assailant she would jump the table and bitch slap that pig. Why should I, a 15 yr Army vet, who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic not be allowed to own whatever the fuck I want? Don't you trust me anymore? I have 100's of hours of training behind nearly every weapon in the inventory, plus thousands of rounds of trigger time, and training I paid for with my own hard earned ridiculously devalued quantitatively eased dollars. I submitt to you a that I would be better at my own defense than any cop. My pistol permit certifies that I am not insane, not a felon, not a drug user, no injunctions for domestic abuse, gone thru a State of CT AND an FBI background check, been finger printed 2x, paid almost $300 into the state kitty. You got any thing like that in your wallets? Go ahead, be sheep, call 911. Response time in my little town is 10-15 minutes. Your dead. Your old lady is raped. Bad guy is in the wind. I reserve the right to defend my property and my persons and my family. I'll take my chances in a court of law. Oh, and for you "Social Justice" and "Tolerance" dooshes. Any person of lower income will not have the cash to pony up for permits, weapons, ammo, and training. So how come they get denied their 2A rights? They are way more likely to encounter violence in their homes, streets, schools and neighborhoods. Are those folks any less valuable than Rosie Odonnel with her body guards or Diane Feinstein who has armed and trained her self many years ago? Is it OK for all those folks that dont matter a whit to society to have body guards and weapons fenced in neighborhoods and then tell ordinary Americans what they can and can not do? Fuck John Stewart, Bill Mahr, Chris Mathews, Fat Ed, and Mr. Rachel Maddow too. And as far as high cap (read standard magazine that was designed for the weapon), why do I need them? I can change a magazine in 3 seconds. So if they are 10 rounds a piece, I can fire 20 rnds accurately in 30 seconds. One 20 rnd magazine? 27 seconds. What are you gonna do in 3 seconds to stop me? Why do you knuckleheads own a car that can go 120 MPH+ when the max speed limit in CT is 65 MPH? Lets look into the number of deaths attributed to high speeds in automobiles. Total homicides by all rifles last year was about 320, a smaller number by "assault rifles". Total number of homicides by club or hammer? About 420. You want Draconian, you got it M*****F******. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Sean's on a roll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Riker Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 (Damnit Alain!) Pops Racer... I agree with what was said about... just not that upset about it. "Gun control" is an oxymoron. I'd also like to point out that of the 29 votes above... only 4 thought a ban was a good idea. Statistics, right Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Why? What is the rationalization? Is it a federal or State or military driven policy? They are very seldom in their state of residence. When I was with DHS I was not ever in my state of residence. So in places like IL active duty have a hard time buying even ammo. A lot of people claim places like AK or FL to avoid state income tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 """"Newtown gunman Adam Lanza fired 155 bullets in less than five minutes, prosecutor says"""" yeah, lets just keep everything the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 """"Newtown gunman Adam Lanza fired 155 bullets in less than five minutes, prosecutor says"""" yeah, lets just keep everything the way it is. Thats not actually that many 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 its a lot more than i can let fly. its a lot more than whats needed for the public. its a lot more than any hunter needs/would carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) 155 in 5 minutes how is that fast? 60*5=300 300/155=1.9 1.9 bullets a seconds is SLOW. Edited March 28, 2013 by fivex84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 155 in 5 minutes how is that fast? 60*5=300 300/155=1.9 1.9 bullets a seconds is SLOW. Eh, when you're talking about a 5-10 minute response time for the local LEO and a motivated shooter is firing on a captive group then even 1.9 bullets / second is not slow. Especially when you consider he was walking from room to room so the time spent firing vs. time spent walking about probably bumps up the actual bullets per second rate. 3 seconds to swap magazines means even going from 30 to 10 round capacity magazines doesn't really do much to diminish the threat. But that question has been hammered to death in this thread. The only way you solve Mike's problem is to ban and confiscate all weapons - but that's been said before too. Everything else is just window dressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Mayb Eh, when you're talking about a 5-10 minute response time for the local LEO and a motivated shooter is firing on a captive group then even 1.9 bullets / second is not slow. So in Mikes world everyone gives up there right to guns? So while they are being shot at they call the Po Po and just wait it out? Edited March 28, 2013 by fivex84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Mayb So in Mikes world everyone gives up there right to guns? So while they are being shot at they call the Po Po and just wait it out? but the guns would be illegal so nobody would have them, which means we'd all be SAFE! Problem solved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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