Jewish Children Targets In Us And Thrown Off Plane

[Che'_Moderator]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/new-york-students-off-plane/index.html

Another GTFO. WTF does everyone play the race card? And more importantly why should you have to be told more than once no less twice.

[Zappo]

I read the story and I would side with the Airline in this. 101 high school students on the same plane not being a problem? 10 together is a problem if they know each other.

10% of them probably text in their sleep and would probably go into withdrawls having to turn the phone off. Being from an Orthodox Jewish school doesn't mean they are all model students.

There were other passengers on the plane, so I would like to hear from a few of them as to what actually went on.

[(n)A-GAME]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/new-york-students-off-plane/index.html

Another GTFO. WTF does everyone play the race card? And more importantly why should you have to be told more than once no less twice.

I'm only going to respond by saying Jews are not a race and I don't agree with your comment in that respect. That's exactly how Hitler classified the group which was just as wrong then.

Otherwise I have nothing to add on this. That article has absolutely nothing useful from anyone involved. Sounds like a he-said, she-said and much more information is needed before we can form a judgment about what happened. I too would tend to doubt that it had anything to do with the group's religion but Airtran flight crews are among the worst and nastiest I've ever experienced.

[Che'_Moderator]

I'm only going to respond by saying Jews are not a race and I don't agree with your comment in that respect. That's exactly how Hitler classified the group which was just as wrong then.

Tell that to Tay-Sachs and Harry Ostrer

[ErikS]

I'm only going to respond by saying Jews are not a race and I don't agree with your comment in that respect. That's exactly how Hitler classified the group which was just as wrong then.

Otherwise I have nothing to add on this. That article has absolutely nothing useful from anyone involved. Sounds like a he-said, she-said and much more information is needed before we can form a judgment about what happened. I too would tend to doubt that it had anything to do with the group's religion but Airtran flight crews are among the worst and nastiest I've ever experienced.

Agree and disagree. Race is a social construct, but is basically skin color. You can convert to Judaism, but I can't convert to being black. HOWEVER, if they are saying they were discriminated against because they are all Jewish then they are playing the "social categorization card", the US supreme court did classify being Jewish as a race for anti-discrimination reasons.

I thought most airlines had a maximum number of high school students allowed on group bookings? We are always limited to 80 on flights for our school filed trips.

In the end you don't fuck around on airplanes, the chaparones should have done their job before the kids boarded. Life lesson learned.

[(n)A-GAME]

OK, I'll play.

Erik, your characterization of the Supreme Court case (I assume you are referring to Shaare Tefila v Cobb?) is not technically correct. That case only found that Jews were a group who were entitled to the same protections under section 1982, which traditionally protected members of certain racial groups. In getting to that holding, though, the Court was careful to note that it was not finding that Jews were a separate race but that they deserved protection because they were the type of group Congress intended to protect when it enacted 1982. The Court even went so far as to note that today (today being 1987 when the case was decided) it's not technically correct to consider Jews as a separate racial group but rather as a subset of Caucasian, but that in the past (and at the time 1982 was enacted) Jews were considered to be a separate "race." That bolsters my point that at best, referring to Jews as members of a race is an outmoded way of looking at it.

"[T]he question before us is not whether Jews are considered to be a separate race by today's standards, but whether, at the time § 1982 was adopted, Jews constituted a group of people that Congress intended to protect.

It is evident from the legislative history of the section reviewed in Saint Francis College, a review that we need not repeat here, that Jews and Arabs were among the peoples then considered to be distinct races, and hence within the protection of the statute. Jews are not foreclosed from stating a cause of action against other members of what today is considered to be part of the Caucasian race."

Again, I have no comment on the actual validity of the story. If the group wasn't targeted for who they are then shame on them for saying they were. If they were targeted then shame on Airtran. Either way we have no way to figure out what actually happened.

[ErikS]

I am just referring to a few of the students pulling out the "social category card". They stood out, and were acting stupid, and were treated accordingly .. they felt it was because they were Jewish. There is zero tolerance on planes, again I fault the adults for not going over expected behavior before they boarded. I remember hearing a week or so back that a plane had to make an emergency landing because a passenger wouldn't stop singing Whitney Houston.

[Fudge_Brownie]

You guys are just debating semantics. What's he supposed to call it? The "genetic background card"? The phrase is "race card", but his point still stands.

I was in doubt, based on lack of evidence, until I got to the closer

"We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

[(n)A-GAME]

Actually Alden, I think it's far from semantic, even though I agree with the points made by Erik and Chuck 100%.

[Burn-E]

So let's find the correct middle ground here. The student played the "we're a protected class against whom historically the majority has regularly discriminated" card.

Whether or not it was warranted would depend on what was said. As humans we look for a quick explanation for why we are treated as we perceive it "unfairly" by others. It's a high school senior - haven't we already concluded they're all dumb as rocks and largely driven by hormones?

[Che'_Moderator]

Genes do not lie. I'm calling race. Maybe poorly defined ambitious term, ie jewish, but still calling it race. Fuck PC and fuck misbehaved "kids". I mean come on.... HS students? GTFO.

[Burn-E]

It's not being PC or race when not every Jew is Ashkenazi. Or when the white genes from familial genetic history produces a white child from two black parents. You're talking about genetic pools which do not nicely align with the venn diagrams commonly perceived as race.

[Che'_Moderator]

Or when the white genes from familial genetic history produces a white child from two black parents.

Pft. Thats just what I tell my black friends when their girlfriends pop out white babies. Its like Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Trayvon Martins innocence... Myth

[Burn-E]

Chuck, meet Nessie: (your mythical loch ness monster)

And then there's this young man:

[ErikS]

Genes do not lie. I'm calling race.

In that case we are all African.