7 VII 7 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 So, what do you guys think?... I mean I know the Government has been tracking a lot of this stuff (and I expect them to) but I guess it gets creepy when they actually confirm that they do and it is more than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 My standard answer. i'm not doing anything i shouldn't be, so i have nothing to hide or fear. 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeyman Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 It's so much data, too, that our micro phone-isms can be lost in the wash... unless you make calls and speak the words they are interested in. Be like Mike! No worries. Big Brother is here and "he ain't playing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 My standard answer. i'm not doing anything i shouldn't be, so i have nothing to hide or fear. This is one of the dumbest statements I've seen you make Mike. It's absolutely sheepish. Sure go ahead and violate the 4th Amendment, I've got nothing to hide so why should I worry about it? Until you accidentally wind up on somebody's list for some reason because your pattern of behavior aligned with a model that some analyst botched and now you've got problems. And by the way, I'm sure I don't need to point it out to you, but even The Grey Lady, the President's best friend in newsprint has seen the light here: Within hours of the disclosure that federal authorities routinely collect data on phone calls Americans make, regardless of whether they have any bearing on a counterterrorism investigation, the Obama administration issued the same platitude it has offered every time President Obama has been caught overreaching in the use of his powers: Terrorists are a real menace and you should just trust us to deal with them because we have internal mechanisms (that we are not going to tell you about) to make sure we do not violate your rights. Those reassurances have never been persuasive — whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency’s phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism — especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability. The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it. That is one reason we have long argued that the Patriot Act, enacted in the heat of fear after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by members of Congress who mostly had not even read it, was reckless in its assignment of unnecessary and overbroad surveillance powers. What the hell happened to "“I'll make our government open and transparent so that anyone can ensure that our business is the people's business?" Or sunlight as the greatest disinfectant? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 So are they gonna tell us about the cool things they've been hiding from us? Like aliens and cold war secrets? Even trade I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 why, what behavior do i do that aligns with terrorist behavior? domestic or foreign. i do not go on any jihadst websites etc. i do not talk about the infidels while on the phone or yellow cake. i can trace my day to day actions digitally and on paper. i have nothing to fear and i believe all the belly achers are the same people worried about the guys in black jackets collecting guns. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjmcarz Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 If it makes us safer, then so be it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survolvo Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 If it makes us safer, then so be it. Like the Chicago Bombings? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 personally, I think the government should go fuck themselves I am not happy with how things have been going, regardless of political party. Way too much oversight in such large corporations and departments and way too much power given to people who don't need or deserve it, imo 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 To quote to some old dead guy... Benjamin Franklin: "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 why, what behavior do i do that aligns with terrorist behavior? domestic or foreign. Peeing in the shower 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theForgottenone Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 To quote to some old dead guy... Benjamin Franklin: "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." Irony that this whole country was created upon the pursuit of freedom. Yet the government is now going the exact opposite of the founding fathers principle and philosophy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Riker Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 You know, if the government had nothing to hide, it wouldn't be worried. It's very worried about people finding out it's secrets, because it's at the bottom of the dirt. I vote reboot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 the Justice Department today urged continued secrecy for a 2011 FISC opinion that found the National Security Agency's surveillance under the FISA Amendments Act to be unconstitutional. Significantly, the surveillance at issue was carried out under the same controversial legal authority that underlies the NSAs recently-revealed PRISM program.Source: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/government-says-secret-court-opinion-law-underlying-prism-program-needs-stay (and I recommend those interested read the full article)Even if you think there's no problem with this violation of privacy, you should be outraged that your government has decided to stomp all over your privacy in absolute secrecy and continues to try and keep that all a secret. And our own court may have decided it was unconstitutional, but that decision is a secret and they are trying to keep it that way.As Cmdr. Riker suggests, if we have nothing to hide, neither do they. We all get to be an open-book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 LULZ. Read my post from years ago. I have told you all this before. Worked on some of the systems back when I was still with the gov. It not new and been going on for decades. They have all the information, that does not mean they monitor it. Anyone who thinks anything on the internet is secure or private is a moron. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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