Timbo Slice Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 More people need to have the same realization, stop playing the election game, and just simply give an honest vote. I also think Kasich has a great point here. Take it for what it's worth: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Kevin, that is possibly the most intelligent thing you've written in this entire thread. I take a more tactical and pragmatic view in considering that, as President Obama once declared to Paul Ryan, "Elections have consequences..." and therefore while you should definitely vote your conscience you also have to recognize that ultimately someone is going to win and you and the rest of the country will have to live with the consequences for the next 2 or 4 years. So I prefer to look at it with a view to what the long term impact is and apply my vote accordingly. Which is why I'm voting for Hillary. She is the least bad of the two candidates who will actually be elected. But the reality is that most of your votes don't really matter. Because it all comes down to a few select counties in a few battleground States where the actual decision is going to be made. If you don't live in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia or Wisconsin then absolutely vote but realize you're not making the final decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 but you're rationalizing with the "least bad candidate" mentality. How does Jill Stein align with your views? Remember, it's not our fault the Democratic party pushed such a weak candidate. A Hillary presidency would make the lame duck status of Obama look like child's play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Jill Stein is a Communist - she advocates what can be described as nothing less than a Marxist policy plan. Plain and simple. Since you were totally on board with Bernie I can appreciate why she is attractive to you. I'm not a liberal, Kevin. I'm a socially minded Conservative. A True Republican from back when that had any meaning in the mid 1980's. The GOP has lost its way and so my only hope is that enough time in the wilderness will bring them back to their senses. Either that or the party splits and we come up with a new Party. I've spent enough time in politics to understand that ultimately it's who holds the reins of power that matters. So that is where I focus my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Gary Johnson? and since when is Jill a commie? That's like saying Bernie is a commie when he isn't...that is a basic lack of understanding how socialism, communism, and democracy works.... the only people I heard calling Bernie a commie were Trumpers, generally the older generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Kevin, go read up on Marx's Communist Manifesto. Stein is leveraging the dialectic as a means for driving social change. Communism's ultimate goal is Socialism. I don't throw terms around lightly like many do in the political arena. I've studied and read the source materials so when I call her a Communist it's not an epithet it's an accurate description of the political philosophy that drives her approach to what she advocates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I see her aligning more with Bernie's Democratic-Socialism. Socialism isn't a scary word, communism is. Almost every instance of Communism being implemented was a guise for a small group to take power, it's greed that kills the idea. In a perfect world Socialism would be awesome but humans are inherently greedy so it will never work. That's why I like the idea of Democratic Socialism so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Democratic Socialism is Socialism just with a sugar coating on it to ease the swallowing. Same end result it just takes longer to get there. Call a spade a spade. But the big difference between Stein and Sanders is that he's not really a Democratic Socialist. He's really a reincarnation of FDR as a New Deal Democrat. Stein is a full blown Socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Sanders 2020 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 24 minutes ago, Burn-E said: Sanders is that he's not really a Democratic Socialist. He's really a reincarnation of FDR as a New Deal Democrat. Stein is a full blown Socialist. i like how thats written, i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Sanders definitely is a New Deal Democrat, the issue is that the DNC likes how much money we can make from war -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Moo Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Both parties have lost their way, both are corrupt and the only thing that separates them are "issues" that they represent. The mainstream media is playing both sides at the same time which essentially is a really shitty puppet show, slanted narratives and completely biased coverage. If I were more religious I would build a large shrine and pray every day that all social media would disappear. Leave the internet for hobbies and buying shit. Our government needs to be completely overhauled with all new rules, etc. I don't know if that's even possible because human nature dictates that individuals are going to exploit anything they can to advance themselves. The people in power surely aren't going to allow any laws to pass blocking the means to their way of life. The sad part is the average guy is only worried about being full, entertained and able to square away his vices and the government knows that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 trump train Wooooot wooooot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Burn-E Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Ted Cruz is a CHUMP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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