gmsgltr Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 Anybody have one?Real world MPG?Reliability so far?I would probably grab a 11/12 because they are more affordable (Under $30k) and probably only keep it while its under warranty lol 7yr/100k
(n)A-GAME Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 Anybody have one? Yes Real world MPG? 20 city/28 hwy (-15% in winter) Reliability so far? Rock solid. Want to buy mine?
Fran9690 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 CPO is the way to go with these. Keep you covered well over the factory warranty. Vacuum pumps leak, oil consumption issues, trans shift issues, suspension issues, various electrical issues all happen on this body style S60. Some have tons of issues, some have none. Having that extra protection is always nice to have just in case, though.
(n)A-GAME Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 CPO is the way to go with these. Keep you covered well over the factory warranty. Vacuum pumps leak, oil consumption issues, trans shift issues, suspension issues, various electrical issues all happen on this body style S60. Some have tons of issues, some have none. Having that extra protection is always nice to have just in case, though. I'd love to know the basis of your comments. Are you a tech? I'm the moderator of the 2011+ S60/V60 forum on Swedespeed and no one on our board has complained with any frequency of what you've noted, bar one exception. To wit: Vacuum pumps leak Never heard that one before. oil consumption issues Certainly not on the 3.0L T6 motor; it's been around in some iteration since '08 when it was introduced on the S80. *Some* people have reported consumption issues on the Drive-E models introduced recently but then those are anecdotes and often involve dealer overfill/underfill during changes. Those issues have not been reported on any of the 2011-2013 models as far as I'm aware. Mine does not use a drop between changes. trans shift issues This is really the only thing you bring up with any merit. Some folks (including me) have complained about a rougher-than-average shift feel, but I wouldn't call it an issue. Software updates seem to solve 99% of complaints about shift feel (including my own, which after an update greatly improved). suspension issues That's a new one for me. Can you elaborate? The 4-C (potentially troublesome) was only available on the 2011 models and at a very low take rate. I've heard no complaints about anything going bad with the suspensions on these cars. various electrical issues I think with any newer car there are going to be some issues, but other than a quirk with the Sensus infotainment system when I first got the car where it would freeze up (also solved by a software update), I've had none.
Piston Slapper Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 I'm the moderator of the 2011+ S60/V60 forum on Swedespeed and no one on our board has complained with any frequency of what you've noted, bar one exception. That's cute. Vacuum pumps leak Never heard that one before. lolwut? They leak so often Volvo put out a rebuild kit for them because they were replacing a ton of vacuum pumps under warranty. We go through dozens of those kits. I've seen cars need it more than once and all SI6 cars seem to need it sooner or later. oil consumption issues Certainly not on the 3.0L T6 motor; it's been around in some iteration since '08 when it was introduced on the S80. *Some* people have reported consumption issues on the Drive-E models introduced recently but then those are anecdotes and often involve dealer overfill/underfill during changes. Those issues have not been reported on any of the 2011-2013 models as far as I'm aware. Mine does not use a drop between changes. It's a problem with all SI6 motors, I've seen 3.0 T6s come in for it.
(n)A-GAME Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 That's cute. Given that apparently you came in here only to troll me, and not actually provide useful information, I think it's pretty clear you're up to your usual antics and, per usual, have no idea what you're talking about. Thanks for trying though, and enjoy your day at the parts counter. lolwut? They leak so often Volvo put out a rebuild kit for them because they were replacing a ton of vacuum pumps under warranty. We go through dozens of those kits. I've seen cars need it more than once and all SI6 cars seem to need it sooner or later. Really? Please link me to the part number for that rebuild kit. Awfully odd that in 4+ years of the car's presence in the marketplace the term "vacuum pump" has been posted exactly three times on one of the more active boards on SS. In one case, a UK member with a diesel mentioned some loose clips. Another member mentioned a blown fuse for the pump which the dealer replaced. A third member referenced how his B7 Audi ate vacuum pumps. Sounds like a real endemic problem! It's a problem with all SI6 motors, I've seen 3.0 T6s come in for it. Wow, I should go buy a lottery ticket now if I have the only T6 in the world that doesn't use any oil. Had no idea I was that lucky.
andyb5 Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 If you ignore Howard's douchey attitude, he actually isn't just trolling you. Both Semir (former Volvo tech) and my uncle (Volvo Master Tech) have told me that they've had to replace rings/pistons on a lot of the newer I6s due to oil consumption as a result of poorly-sized pistons. Book is something crazy like 19 hours of labor for rings/pistons because those motors are such a bastard to work on. I'm not aware that there has been a TSB or recall issued, but it is a common enough issue that dealerships are aware of. I like the newer T6s/Polestars, but I would only ever own one under warranty!
Piston Slapper Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 31401556 is the vacuum pump rebuild kit. Reading SS is not first hand experience. It's not even second hand since hardly anyone there knows what a vacuum pump is, much less where it is under the hood, they just take it to the dealer. And I've personally ordered pistons for an SI6 T6. I'd avoid that motor, N/A or Turbo just like I'd avoid an S80/XC90 with the GM trans. P.S. I'm at lunch and pulled that part number off the top of my head. That should tell you what a problem they are.
Kevin. Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 I thought the oil consumption issues were on the 3.2 engines and not the T6, correct me if I am wrong
Piston Slapper Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 I thought the oil consumption issues were on the 3.2 engines and not the T6, correct me if I am wrong The issue is more common on the 3.2 and a lot more cars have 3.2s... but it happens to the 3.0 SI6 engines sometimes as well. Another member mentioned a blown fuse for the pump which the dealer replaced. There's no fuse for it, it's mechanical.
matt1122 Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 I have a V60, not the sedan, and it's post-refresh. Mechanically, there aren't substantial differences between the two. The transmission software and hardware have been improved a bit for MY2014+ and there have undoubtedly been other unadvertised improvements in mechanical things from year to year. I'm coming up on 15k miles and have had the car for 1 year, 17 days, and 1 minute at the time of posting. I have one major recurring issue. The braking system has magical rock-attracting properties and stones get stuck in there about twice a year. There's a lot of screeching. I tell myself, "there's no way it's a rock this time because x" and then I call the dealer and I say "I don't think it's a rock because x" and they're all "it's probably a rock, why don't you bring it in" and I schedule an appointment and then I cancel it the next day because it was a god damned rock again. I find this incredibly annoying. Also, everyone who sees me driving probably thinks I'm a jerk because the gas pedal is broken and the car can only be driven "calmly" at about 10% throttle. Once you go past 10% it gets all huffy and puffy and growly, so if you want to actually get it out of its own way you will basically drive fast and people will give you looks all the time and you'll feel like a horrible person.
Piston Slapper Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Also, everyone who sees me driving probably thinks I'm a jerk because the gas pedal is broken and the car can only be driven "calmly" at about 10% throttle. Once you go past 10% it gets all huffy and puffy and growly, so if you want to actually get it out of its own way you will basically drive fast and people will give you looks all the time and you'll feel like a horrible person. Yeah, Volvo still hasn't learned how to make a linear ETM map... I noticed the same thing driving an XC60 demo and ME7 P80s/P2s
831t5r Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 I wanted to add to this. As a volvo master tech myself. vacuum pump leaks are so damn commen its not even funny amount of rebuilds we do. So much i have a swap vacuum pump i use that i have built so when i get a rebuild i just swap out pumps. And oil consumption issues. If you have warranty or not youll be fine. Such a common issue on the short 6 motors that regardless of age/mileage volvo will goodwill it . I mean if you have history at the dealer. turbo/non turbos either need software or pistons or in some cases i put motors. I opened a goodwill case for an 07 xc90 with 3.2 with 88k miles they are going to goodwill pistons. But not all short 6's have an issue. has to do more with being a ulev piston which they replace with a pzev piston.
Fran9690 Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 I'd love to know the basis of your comments. Are you a tech? I'm the moderator of the 2011+ S60/V60 forum on Swedespeed and no one on our board has complained with any frequency of what you've noted, bar one exception. To wit: Vacuum pumps leak Never heard that one before. oil consumption issues Certainly not on the 3.0L T6 motor; it's been around in some iteration since '08 when it was introduced on the S80. *Some* people have reported consumption issues on the Drive-E models introduced recently but then those are anecdotes and often involve dealer overfill/underfill during changes. Those issues have not been reported on any of the 2011-2013 models as far as I'm aware. Mine does not use a drop between changes. trans shift issues This is really the only thing you bring up with any merit. Some folks (including me) have complained about a rougher-than-average shift feel, but I wouldn't call it an issue. Software updates seem to solve 99% of complaints about shift feel (including my own, which after an update greatly improved). suspension issues That's a new one for me. Can you elaborate? The 4-C (potentially troublesome) was only available on the 2011 models and at a very low take rate. I've heard no complaints about anything going bad with the suspensions on these cars. various electrical issues I think with any newer car there are going to be some issues, but other than a quirk with the Sensus infotainment system when I first got the car where it would freeze up (also solved by a software update), I've had none. I've been a Volvo tech for the past 3 years in Connecticut. Vacuum pumps are extremely common to leak. Rebuild kit part number is 31401556. Oil consumption is on all Si6 engines. We still have issues with them on new ones. Just had one a couple weeks back that hasn't even had it's 10k service and it was down 2 quarts of oil after already being topped off previously by us. The 3.2 engines by far are more common but we get a fair share of T6 engines as well. This year alone we have had about 30 oil consumption cars in our shop. Whether we did a cam cover reseal, cylinder head, pistons, or replace the whole motor is up to tech hotline. They recently released Technical Journals on them depending on engine code for ECM software and new dipstick with higher oil level and another for replacement of the oil pan windage tray baffle. We have also had *lots* of oil consumption issues on the new Drive-E engines. Again a TJ was released for ECM software and higher oil level of 5.9L of oil instead of the 5.4 that it came with from the factory. Since the engine is so new any repairs need to be authorized from Volvo first and repeat concerns are resolved by engine replacements. There are also oil consumption issues on 2012 S60 5 cylinder engines and again a TJ released to re-ring the engine. As for transmission issues, we have had several transmission issues even after we do software upgrades to the TCM and perform a readaptive drive cycle. We have seen bad torque converters, bad valve bodies, we usually replace the transmission after we get hotline or our Field Technical Specialist involved. For suspension issues, sub frame bushings contact the plates that bolt the sub frame to the body of the car resulting in a creaking noise. We have had ball joints go bad on cars with less than 20k on them. Strut rods get axial play and make a knocking noise over bumps. Upper plate bearings for front struts go bad and make a squawking noise when turning. Rear shock mounts make a clappering noise over bumps. There are technical journals for all of these, all are quite common. Also no really suspension related but we get lots of noisy wheel bearings, noisy differentials, defective DEM oil pumps or defective AOC units. For electrical issues, we have keyless cars where the keyless system doesn't work. We see BLIS issues like you would never even believe. We have power seat issues. We have issues where the huge main electrical fuses blow for the starter for no reason. On the older P3 vehicles we would have battery negative cable corrosion issues. We have seen a lot of alternator and a/c compressor failures. We have seen where the READ pulley bolt for the gear that connects to the alternator backs out and the alternator stops spinning. We have CEL coming on because of a defective anti tamper device in the radiators. We have battery drain issues because of the RDAR module for Sirius locking up. We get lots of bluetooth and SENSUS issues. The list goes on and on. Hopefully this goes to show you that I have first hand experience and proof of what I say actually has merit.
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