Zappo Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Trump isn't serious about running for President. He is just doing it for the publicity, and running for President puts his name in front of viewers more than his reality TV show ever did. The more outlandish his statements, the more the media wants to interview him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted July 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 It would make sense except his speeches have severely impaired several of his commercial endeavors. So, what's the end game? Did Trump miscalculate - I doubt it - or is this his latest shiny toy that he's infatuated with? He's never been one to care what others think about him so this has to have a business purpose or else his ego has undone him once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 issues.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted July 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Immigration is the bread and circus issue of the Republican party. They use it to rile up the base for voting purposes. None of them are actually serious about solving what they claim the problem is. And the problem isn't actually what they claim it is. Under educated migrants largely are not stealing jobs from the white lower middle class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Guess I just don't care about it. Even though Gainsville GA right next to where I live, is GA's illegal immigrant haven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Immigration is the bread and circus issue of the Republican party. They use it to rile up the base for voting purposes. None of them are actually serious about solving what they claim the problem is. And the problem isn't actually what they claim it is. Under educated migrants largely are not stealing jobs from the white lower middle class.Exactly. I worked on a farm for 12 years, and the only labor they can get is Mexican migrants. It was a mix of many people when I started there in the late 80s, but even then there were almost no adult whites; it was school kids doing summer jobs before the labor laws banned it. After that, Mexicans and Filipinos that were family of Navy members from the base. Even they left for better jobs. Anyone born in the US working on the farm was skilled labor; office, machine shop, and supervisors. The farms fight for labor and pay actually goes up. Pay is always above minimum, and there are bonuses as well base on production quotas. Everyone works and the slackers are weeded out quickly.The lazy ones aren't from Mexico. A lazy person doesn't bother with moving to another country to find work, they can be lazy and jobless right were they are. The lazy ones are sons and daughters that grew up in the US, just like American kids because they are American, regardless of where their parents came from.Almost all farmers are Republican, but this is one issue they know the GOP isn't right about. As for Trump, he will drop out of the race before his required financial disclosure deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theForgottenone Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) A lazy person doesn't bother with moving to another country to find work, they can be lazy and jobless right were they are. The lazy ones are sons and daughters that grew up in the US, just like American kids because they are American, regardless of where their parents came from. I agreed. Majority of immigrant typically is the hardest working group of people. They want to have a better life for themselves and their family.Another that is catch 22 is the 1st and 2nd generation of those immigrant lineage lost their culture as time past by. As they become more assimilate and become Americanized, they became no different compare to the typical American kids. They have no sense of hard upbringing and appreciate for the quality of life is in front of them. What they learn/know is entitlement instead of working for hard earn money. Edited July 7, 2015 by theForgottenone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Betty Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 After hearing Trumps comments, I genuinely thought this was a ploy by the Republican party to make their candidates seem more moderate.As in look how far from the extreme we are... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survolvo Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 There is a mix in my area. We have a huge Mexican population. For the most part, they are law abiding, hard working citizens that contribute to the community as much if not more than others. These are mostly the first generation immigrants, the ones that come here truly looking to better their and their families lives. My grandpa, not blood but has been with my grandma for my whole life, is from Mexico. He came here when he was 18, coming from a family of 21 kids. He came here and put his nose to the grindstone and never complained. He has built a very successful landscaping company in Reno, NV. He has been able to provide for my grandma and my family for the last 20 years. He is one of the most respectable people I know.But we also have a large population that is quite the contrary to the previous mentioned. They are gang banging, lazy, disrespectful degenerates. In my experience, most of these people are the 2nd or 3rd generation. One of my opinions of why this is, is due to the fact their parents have spent so much time working hard, they have not had time to nurture and watch over their children. Mix the lack of supervision and nurturing with the fact they are growing up in rougher neighborhoods where they have to learn to be tough, it leads to trouble and a lack of morals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm right there with you Jon. I work closely with a few families who are Mexican immigrants, some documented and others not. I have huge respect for anyone who goes through what they do to get a leg up in life and provide for a better future for their children. At the same time my wife is an immigrant who went through an extensive legal process to gain her citizenship (it took us years) and my brother's wife is from South America and went through the same process with a different set of challenges. And they're both upset at the thought that people could come illegally and just be given citizenship.What I don't get is the regular claim that our porous border is a potential risk for letting ISIS and Al-Qaeda terrorists into the country. Whether it's true or not, the reason politicians raise that specter is to overexcite the red blooded Republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 shouldn't it be Latin, or South American? just blasting MEXICAN is kind of racists IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Latino/Latina or Hispanic. In border states the overall majority of Latin American immigrants legal or otherwise are from Mexico - but yes all the other nationalities get lumped together as that is an easy schema for our brains to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Statistically, I don't think the voters he's alienating the most with his comments were going to vote Republican anyway. So does it really matter? Does the rest of the Rep. voter base really care about him being racist? The group he's probably losing is the independent crowd. Maybe jam in some commentary about ruling government like a business ala Mitt Romney to get them back later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survolvo Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Why would I say Latin if they are from Mexico? Nothing racist about it. How about I say Mexican American? Is that better? Racist would be calling them spics, wet backs out beaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Mike was asking about Trump's targeting Mexicans. And that is who he called out in his campaign kick off speech:Mexico is sending people that have lots of problems to America including rapists, drug runners, and other criminals. He then doubled down with this in a later speech:The worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican government. The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The Border Patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world. So in this case it's not racist. He is specifically targeting the Mexican government and Mexicans in general. And in truth, anyone who crosses the southern border is coming through Mexico so Trump isn't crazy by calling them out. How does the Mexican government deal with poverty? On one level they "export" it to their richer neighbor to the North. What causes that and how to deal with it is a worthy political discussion separate from the uproar around Trump's inelegant attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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