Border Patrol Cop Shot

[donstruke]

Anyone see the news item last Friday about the Border Patrol cop shot by Mexicans (possibly some other ethnicity) during an attempted drug bust?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/2...ershooting.html

His partner is my friend's son; we had drinks Friday night at the Coyote Bar & Grill in Carlsbad, where he told us his bud was OK - just a lower leg wound - despite five shots coming in through the windshield. At the time we talked it was not known if the five were rounds or shotgun pellets. The fact remains the BP is restricted by what they're permitted to do. Also, the Bush administration abolished the BP union, put it in the Home Security agency, AND froze (I might have the wrong verb) any pay increases.

What do you think should be done to reduce illegal immigration? Along with innocent hard working people just trying to find a living in the U.S., many drug smugglers are among the aliens who cross. Whatever, they laugh at our laws.

I understand that the Mexican government (this may be just a rumor) provides tips on where/when to cross and other advice including how to take get medical care, welfare, and other ways to take advantage of America's legendary generosity.

This site is the Arizona BP union, but the same conditions exist for California and the other border states:

http://www.local2544.org/

[Che'_Moderator]

Legalize all drugs. Problem solved

[Mesoam]

don't allow them in point blank...people from Europe have to do it the hard way why should they be any different?

the worst part IMO is that they sneak in and for some reason they think we should adapt to them.....right

coming to work on this past Wed we had to park in a different lot because ours was getting sealed and this horde of Brazilians (sp?) jumps out in front of my buddies blazer because they are looking for illegal work...my 100% Italian friend shouts "get out the way we don't have anything for you" and one of them kicks his rear quarter panel denting it....he calls the cops and what the hell are the cops going to do? there's about 10 of them to 1 cop. My friend can't get stuff from the illegal so........yeah i think you guys see where I'm going with this

after re-reading this it may seem that i am prejudice...i am NOT by any means but i just don't like the illegal immigration going on...

Edited June 6, 2005 by Mesoam

[Bing_0]

i think about the only thing htats really going to stop border crossings can be found a 30 miles north of seoul

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[theunderlord]

Legalize all drugs.  Problem solved

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yup...

would solve the problem. :)

[Fake Name]

First, I think the original post was full of rumor and unconfirmed claims (possibly some other ethnicity?? huh?? Like I *think* they *might* were Mexican, but they could have been anything.) It does not change the basic dilemma, however.

Legalizing drugs is the answer to the drug smuggling issue. The US insatiable thirst for drugs means they will ALWAYS get here, somehow, someway.

But the bigger issue is the transient population of illegal migrants. The answer? Everybody needs to pay more for services- every meal, every service. Make the service jobs attractive enough for US citizens to want to do them. Every dishwasher in the back of every crappy restaruant would need to be paid a "living wage". Every strawberry picker the same wage. And we need to be enthusiastic about paying much more for those commodities and services.

But we won't.

We want our prices low, and are willing to do whatever is necessary to keep them low, even to the point of borderline slavery.

That's why there will never be an honest, comprehensive solution to the immigration issue. We WANT cheap labor, we want low prices on inexpensive merchandise. Without that labor supply, costs will iincrease and the economy will stagnate.

It's our dirty little secret.

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Edited June 6, 2005 by Fake Name

[gdizzle]

We want our prices low, and are willing to do whatever is necessary to keep them low, even to the point of borderline slavery.

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Care to expand upon that, I think I know what you mean.... :blink:

[Fake Name]

Sure, I'll expand. The plumber's here and I have nothing else to do. Well, That I want to do anyway- lot's of chores etc...

Much of our service and produce industries are based on low wage jobs, much of that s filled by illegal immigrants. These low wages and no benefit jobs allow the providers to offer us, the consumer, low prices. We like low prices. We like inexpensive DVD players and fashion items like clothing and, in Southern California, the best Darn Mexican drive-thrus in the world.

The downward pressure on pricing forces the use of the cheapest possible labor, borderlining slave wages. In fact, the slaves of the pre-war south were possibly better compensated with housing and food. Not that it took the sting out of the lash by any means. Not to mention the lack of self-determination, or being kidnapped from one's own country, so the comparison breaks down pretty fast.

Moving along, back to the point: We rely on low compensation labor (euphemism for slavery) for much of our GNP. Using the term slavery is a bit harsh, but the wages paid are closer to slave wages than a so-called "living wage".

See what I mean?

fn

by the way: I hope the BP agent is OK. Probably the worst job I can imagine.

[donstruke]

First, I think the original post was full of rumor and unconfirmed claims (possibly some other ethnicity??  huh?? Like I *think* they *might* were Mexican, but they could have been anything.) 

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Uh, genius, I was drinking beer with the guy's partner about 10 hours after he found out his friend was shot, and AT THAT TIME there was no confirmation who it was or even what they used for a weapon. You obviously don't know there's a whole mix of Hispanics south of Mexico engaged in drug smuggling. The perps probably were Mexican but who knows until it's confirmed?

So excuse me, chief, my post was not "full of rumor" but you might be full of something else.

Fake name...

I'll be sure to pass along your concern about the wounded BP. That (seriously) will be appreciated. These guys (and guyettes) have a thankless job.

[Fake Name]

Simmer down- I'm sorry you were offended- I meant none. Personally, I don't care what their nationality is- they are criminals regardless of their country of origin. It is not relevant at all, and I believe it's improper to accuse in broad generalizations. If they don't know who did the crime, why try to say it was any particular nationality?

"uh, genius" why did you say that? You were drinking with the officer's partner, sure, but that did not tell you (or me) about the nationality of the perp, right?

Yes, I am aware there are "Hispanics south of Mexico", but there ae a lot of American criminals as well, many of whom are the dealers up here that are the organizers of the illegal trade.

Again, I'm sorry I offended you.

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[shaun]

I wil never forget: when i was a young man in orange county cali some 15-18 or so years ago, some very vocal folks were hollering about illegial aliens taking jobs from citizens by picking strawberrys in the few remaning fields in the area. Political pressure yada yada yada later, the workers are picked up by the INS and sent home. The strawberry farmers out of depteration put signs up along the streets bordering their fields offering 10-12 $ per hour to pick the crop (I saw the signs, i read the articles). That crop rotted in the fields. Legal Americans would not stoop to the task.

The drug issue is sometihng else entirely, Involing a totally differst set of people. I am not so sure that legailized heroin and cocain is a good idea. Our President, for example, probably would not have benifitted from legalized cocaine as he would have had even more access to it and probably would have compleately fried his life/brain and failed to become the fantastic president that he is.

Sure, I'll expand.  The plumber's here and I have nothing else to do.  Well, That I want to do anyway- lot's of chores etc...

Much of our service and produce industries are based on low wage jobs, much of that s filled by illegal immigrants.  These low wages and no benefit jobs allow the providers to offer us, the consumer, low prices.  We like low prices.  We like inexpensive DVD players and fashion items like clothing and, in Southern California, the best Darn Mexican drive-thrus in the world.

The downward pressure on pricing forces the use of the cheapest possible labor, borderlining slave wages.  In fact, the slaves of the pre-war south were possibly better compensated with housing and food.  Not that it took the sting out of the lash by any means.  Not to mention the lack of self-determination, or being kidnapped from one's own country, so the comparison breaks down pretty fast.

Moving along, back to the point:  We rely on low compensation labor (euphemism for slavery) for much of our GNP.  Using the term slavery is a bit harsh, but the wages paid are closer to slave wages than a so-called "living wage".

See what I mean?

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by the way:  I hope the BP agent is OK.  Probably the worst job I can imagine.

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Edited June 6, 2005 by shaun

[Fake Name]

  Our President, for example, probably would not have benifitted from legalized cocaine as he would have had even more access to it and probably would have compleately fried his life/brain.

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I....must...not...rise...to..the...bait...nooooo

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[SlowV]

the previous post got me to thinking ...what do other countries do with their illegal aliens ???? deport them .... to the country of origin ?? I beleive that the US takes good care of them ( any medical attention needed ) .... and then for the most part sends them back to country of origin .

The following is a bit out of my belief structure " what happens if we execute the illegal aliens ... and make it widely known "would that be enough of an incentive to stop the illegal aliens ... or are things so bad where they are coming from they are willing to try any ways ? if it is should the US step in and fix the problem ??? If the problem is strictly drugs and the dealers .... why are they given such short jail times and released .

I looked at some of the DWI laws in a few other countrys ... they are not forgiving at all ...Nicarugra ( sp ) if you dispatch somebody will under the influnce sentance is carried out by the officer first on the scene ..... offender is shot ( dead , not just wounded ) no repeat offenders there . Pherhaps using that to some extent for the drug trafficers would slow things down eventually ,( would put the BP officers job at a bit of a higher risk ) ... the lure of easy money is strong to resist .

Not sure I'm for legalizing drugs here .... got a feeling that the insurance companies would make our auto policies almost out of reach for a lot of us .... Example after 9/11 occured many of the Trucking outfits in the NY and NJ area had incearses in there polices " terrorist clause was added " at a rate that many said was more than they were willing to pay .... sudden increase in nice used trucks avalible for a year or so .... the amount it went up not sure of the dollar amount thought I heard some one say soemthing like 20 or 25 % increase for that clause alone .

[donstruke]

Again, I'm sorry I offended you.

fn

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Fair enough...thank you.

[kenhoeve]

I am not so sure that legailized heroin and cocain is a good idea.  Our President, for example, probably would not have benifitted from legalized cocaine as he would have had even more access to it and probably would have compleately fried his life/brain and failed to become the fantastic president that he is.

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holy shizz! that is seriously some of the most crazy hilarious crap I have ever read. oh my god you have no idea how passively hysterical that was.

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