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Considering you do nothing to advance your argument except "left wing" talking points your statement above seems to be correct.  The whole thing you wrote could be seen on the likes of the DNC webpages or the Democratic Underground.  Almost totally absent of fact and full of hyperbole.  People that use the term "frame" often send up alarm bells to those of us who pay attention.  That means you are trying to influence opinion by getting your point of view out to the public first and often.  This has nothing to do with point of view.  It has everything to do with FACTS.  Bring them to the table and people can have a civil discussion.  Keep babbling that stuff about oil industry and how we have fostered the spread of Islamic Fundamentalism and you have no case.  Well I will give you that Bill Clinton did a lot to not contain Islamic fundamentalism.

I took you at your word at what you wrote and did my best to present rational arguments and you did not reciprocate in kind.

You delivered hyperbole and condescending personal attacks.

later dude.

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Disagree if you must. But-

The war is too far away for most of us. We aren't victims, except when our friends die. But when the little bastards blow up your child, you'll want their blood. I worked professionally in this region for a long time. The mullahs and zealots want to restore a medieval fiefdom of their own making, everywhere. EVERYWHERE. Kill them all now, wherever the lay, walk, or run. Kill them in their sleep if we have to, but take the war to them.

Most of you are too young to remember Vietnam. For many of you, it's all leftist visionary writing about what went wrong, and how that compares to now. Your college professors are SO right (left). WRONG. I lived in Vietnam in the 50s, I was LT (armor) in the 70s, and I fought and won the cold war through the 90s. Just because these folks don't drink Stoly, or eat caviar, doesn't mean they are not deadly and committed opponents. Or capable: they are VERY capable.

Preemtpive war short of the use of nuclear weapons is a necessity, now and in the future. You will be sipping latte one moment, and vaporized dirty sub-atomic particles the next. That's the best scenario. The worst: you watch your children and grandchildren writhe in agony as you feel the nasty drip start deep in your own bowels, and then you die for hours. Or days.

That is the truth of today's 5th generation war. No fronts. No nasty-eyed little nips/bosch/zulus. Just friendly folks who blow themselves up at your kid's birthday party in the restaurant. Your mind is not prepared for the eventuality that some folks hate you just because you are economically and politically succesful and stable. And, different from them.

Hunt these little buggers down, everywhere and anywhere, and kill them. This isn't about George Bush, it's about whether we have the stomach for a fight. We cannot cower inside our borders: borders DON'T EXIST.

"Saddle up boys, tonight we ride."

(old Cavalry aphorism)

USMA- 1975

PS- "what I think" is an oxymoron for most of you. Most of you argue about what you feel.

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Right on , by the way Thank You Sir for your service.

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I took you at your word at what you wrote and did my best to present rational arguments and you did not reciprocate in kind.

You delivered hyperbole and condescending personal attacks.

later dude.

Explain how this is a rational argument:

"Based on results, the "paux Americana" foreign policy Pearl, Wolfowitz, et all dreamt up and this administration is projecting, is at best messy and expensive and, at worst, a big f$5$ up."

Please point out my personal attacks on you. Saying you are using left wing talking points is not an attack. Especailly after you write something like this:

"The bushies are incopetent draft dodging thinktankers who are criminally abusing our military and spreading Islamic fundamentalism."

I suggest looking up the terms "hyperbole" and "projection." Acusing other people of what you are doing is not a way to argue. You are right though I am being condescending as you have yet to put up a cohesive argument.

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OK so how many of you guys actually voted?

How many of you are willing to do something that is selfless?

Have you ever admitted that you only know what you have been told by the media?

Think about it, what is really happening in Iraq, do you really know?

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I saw this thread and thought- I wonder how much worse the national debt will get with the recent disaster along the gulf coast.

That'd be great if GW diverted money being wasted on a different gulf area right now towards the gulf on our own land and helping those who need it. But I doubt that'll happen.

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