Canada, Does Something Most Americans Dont Know

[PyROTech]

Well here it is from my perspective.

1) these regions will never be safe by our standards.  It's really kind of like that Maslow hierarchy of needs.  Once you can eat then you worry about being safe then blah blah blah you self-actualize.  Well, when your entire world is dirt, you never have enough to get passed worrying about what to eat.

2) CANADA'S ECONOMY DOES NOT RELY ON THE US ANYMORE THAN THE US RELIES ON CANADA*.  Canada and the US are very symbiotic!

Next time you fill up your car, remember that the single largest oil source for the US is us... CANADA.

* i do recongize that we have the greater benefit in this economy/trade game, but don't be so ignorant to think that we owe you anything - cause we don't, and we never will!

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sounds like phsyc or politics 100 to 200 in unversity., lol

"RAMMING SPEED, MR. SULU"

BFD- America has 140K in Iraq, which is twice the size of the CDF. Iraq is a necessary evil, the Hitler-in-the-making needed deposing, and we (all of us, Canada included) underestimated the attraction this would become for the terrorists who will continue their attacks. stuff happens in war.

So, back on a kinder, gentler plain:

I personally know the former Operations Officer of the PPCLI (Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry) involved in the fratricide event to which you allude (so badly). We both grieve for the Canadian dead. I honor the sacrifice of their families by displaying a Canadian flag on Canada Day, and on Armistice Day. They died because of a dumb mistake, made under terrible stress, in a war where people really die. Professional armies HATE the rambo-type. We do not tolerate their kind. Your imagination has been seized by the mediatainment folly of a lone-wolf crazed killer. They do NOT exist in the American OR the Canadian Armies.

In war, stuff happens. People make dumb mistakes. Unlike the media or (Canadian) government, who have never made a mistake, eh hoser .

So take your self-pity and shove it up your bloody arse. Get buggered. We soldiers don't give a whit for what you protected sheep think. Your Canadian DF is as good as it gets. Honor them, and quit bitching. Better yet, grow some hair and join.

You can play, or you can sit on the bench. YOU are obviously a bench-warmer in this event.

PS- read "Tommy' by a certain Commonwealth poet-laureate. Youll understand why WE mistrust most FN civilians.

Was that hot enough?

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i didnt say we had a bigger army, so read my comments first. and i never complained this and that about our military. And what pity?, read a line of mine that reflects self pity! Nothing is as good as it gets, there is always room for imporvement. I aint no hippy on the side lines that thinks we all should get high, so dont make canadians out to be some hippie pot smoking bumbs "even though there are alot of em". Also my point was we were putting in a high percentage of forces to afgh than the us is. And we are also commiting ourselves and not to just judge canada for not joining in iraq.

[EMDII]

More in Afghanistan and fewer in Iraq? Who cares? Pointless to even mention it, as the forces on the ground are determined by Canada's government, not the military. Whereever the CDF serves, it serves well.

Canada's contribution to the War on Terror is significant. But your notion that America is somehow dishonorable by fighting for the stability of oil supplies in the ME is a fine hubris on your part. Should that region go Tango Uniform, you'll see real fighting over oil, not this nasty street war we engage in every day. Neither is pleasant. But it'll make the 70s look like Woodstock.

America and its allies are fighting the war of industrialized nations against those who wish to return to the mysoginist middle ages. It is a war that is inevitable, one of culture and ideas as opposed to wars of territory or access to some seaport or over some asssassinated Archduke. But in a way, it is reminiscent of Japan's causus belli for WWII: it had no natural resources. Including oil. Germany wanted land, lebensraum, and slaves to service the Greater Reich. The terrorists and their major supporters want to be pashas and princes, and control fiefdoms like Black John of medieval England. That is not a pleasant future to contemplate.

America desires unfettered access to oil, in a competitive marlketplace. I am not ashamed to fight for that. Neither are my peers. It is the Iraqi people who should benefit from the sale of their oil, not Saddam Hussein, or his terrorist post-apocalyptic thugs. But we see the world differently, with less nuance, and some 'liberals' claim we are unsophisticated . Bugger them: there are sheep, wolves, and sheep dogs. I happen to be a very lethal sheepdog, as is America.

Complain about it when they blow up Toronto? It'll be too late.

Edited August 14, 2005 by EMDII

[Asinine]

I'm not saying that Canada can supply the US exclusivly, but the fact is that your single largest source of oil is Canada - that's just the facts.

The stabilization of oil is not a good reason to go to war!

Cheap labour and good suitcases and shoes does not imply genocide, in fact, i don't know many piles of ashes that can realign railway tracks or pack shells. People knew jews were being herded and persecuted, but few knew the extent of the genocide.

[EMDII]

So tell me A- would you have turned a blind eye to saddam and his sons as they raped an pillaged their people? Would you hav continued to ignore them as they commited internal genocide, and by the way, continued to acquire WMD technologies so that sometime in the near future they would've destabilized the entire region, and thereby the entire world?

You sound like Neville Chamberlain in 1938:

British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain gave a speech to the House of Commons on September 1, 1939, just hours after Hitler's troops had invaded Poland.  Chamberlain and others had spent years negotiating with Hitler in order to prevent another war in Europe, two decades after the Great War in which an entire generation of young men had been wiped out.  Negotiations with Hitler had included surrendering the sovereign rights of Czechoslovakia and standing by as Hitler's troops took Austria. 

By 1939, Hitler desired war and any further attempts to negotiate peace were doomed to failure.  The Nazis then staged a fake attack on a German radio outpost along the German-Polish border and used that as an excuse for invasion.  On September 3, amid the continuing Nazi lightning attack (Blitzkrieg) against Poland, Chamberlain announced that a state of war now existed. 

Chamberlain remained Prime Minister until May, 1940.  Following Hitler's invasion of Norway and Denmark, Chamberlain was driven from the House of Commons amid the hoots of derision from even his own supporters.  He was replaced on May 10, 1940, by Winston Churchill.

The union of Germany and Austria (Anschluss) had been specifically forbidden by the Treaty of Versailles. Some members of the House of Commons, including Anthony Eden and Winston Churchill, now called on Chamberlain to take action against Adolf Hitler and his Nazi government.

Hugh Christie an MI6 agent working based in Berlin, met with Hermann Goering on 3rd February 1937. He immediately reported his conversation with Goering and included information that Germany intended to take control of Austria and Czechoslovakia. He also told Christie that Germany mainly wanted "a free hand in Eastern Europe."

In March 1938 Hugh Christie told the British government that Adolf Hitler would be ousted by the military if Britain joined forces with Czechoslovakia against Germany. Christie warned that the "crucial question is 'How soon will the next step against Czechoslovakia be tried?' ... The probability is that the delay will not exceed two or three months at most, unless France and England provide the deterrent, for which cooler heads in Germany are praying."

International tension increased when Adolf Hitler began demanding that the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia should be under the control of the German government. In an attempt to to solve the crisis, the heads of the governments of Germany, Britain, France and Italy met in Munich in September, 1938.

On 29th September, 1938, Chamberlain, Adolf Hitler, Edouard Daladier and Benito Mussolini signed the Munich Agreement which transferred to Germany the Sudetenland, a fortified frontier region that contained a large German-speaking population.

When Eduard Benes, Czechoslovakia's head of state, who had not been invited to Munich, protested at this decision, Neville Chamberlain told him that Britain would be unwilling to go to war over the issue of the Sudetenland.

The Munich Agreement was popular with most people in Britain because it appeared to have prevented a war with Nazi Germany. However, some politicians, including Winston Churchill and Anthony Eden, attacked the agreement. These critics pointed out that no only had the British government behaved dishonorably, but it had lost the support of Czech Army, one of the best in Europe.

Substitute Iraq for Germany, Kuwait for Austria, oil for lebensraum, and you get my picture.

So, you're an appeaser in my book, one who sniffs about the dogma of peace, while wolves bay in the darkness. You haven't an FN-clue, have you? Just becasue you wish there weren't bad people in the world who need killing, doesn't make it so.

Why don't we have an icon for "CLUELESS"?

Edited August 14, 2005 by EMDII

[EMDII]

Cheap labour and good suitcases and shoes does not imply genocide, in fact, i don't know many piles of ashes that can realign railway tracks or pack shells. People knew jews were being herded and persecuted, but few knew the extent of the genocide.

BULL SH*T.

You are the product of a liberal education, I surmise.

Edited August 15, 2005 by gdogg16

[gdizzle]

I'm not saying that Canada can supply the US exclusivly, but the fact is that your single largest source of oil is Canada - that's just the facts.

The stabilization of oil is not a good reason to go to war!

Cheap labour and good suitcases and shoes does not imply genocide, in fact, i don't know many piles of ashes that can realign railway tracks or pack shells.  People knew jews were being herded and persecuted, but few knew the extent of the genocide.

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Go read a history book. Concentration camps were almost always located a mile or two out side of a town. Everyone knew, and everyone turned a blind eye to it. I went to school in the south. The school was 10miles away from a Perdue Chicken plant. On a hot day with a calm breeze, all I could smell was chicken crap and rotten chicken parts. So imagine piles of dead bodies, must smell pretty good and you think the people never cought a "wiff" of that in a town less than mile or so away? RIGHT!

Edited August 15, 2005 by gdogg16

[steve s]

You are the product of a liberal education, I surmise.

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what's that got to do with liberal education

[EMDII]

what's that got to do with liberal education

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I associate, for good or poor, that all too often liberal institutions practice revisionist history 'education'. Ergo, some revisionists go so far as to assert that the Holocaust never occurred (that is an extreme example of revisionism), or that Japan didn't deserve an atomic bomb. And too often, Conservative revisionists assert that it is all government's fault.

I try to be 'fair and balanced' in my assessments. :lol:

Edited August 16, 2005 by EMDII

[merlin390]

Go read a history book.  Concentration camps were almost always located a mile or two out side of a town.  Everyone knew, and everyone turned a blind eye to it.  I went to school in the south.  The school was 10miles away from a Perdue Chicken plant.  On a hot day with a calm breeze, all I could smell was chicken crap and rotten chicken parts.  So imagine piles of dead bodies, must smell pretty good and you think the people never cought a "wiff" of that in a town less than mile or so away?  RIGHT!

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better yet go talk to a vet who saw it first hand and smelled it.......

[Che'_Moderator]

I'm sorry. A canadian gave me a wheat beer once. I can never forgive you. Sorry.

[EMDII]

et al-

There is 'some' tongue-in-cheek within. :P

[PyROTech]

IM NOT A LIBERAL AND WHICH MOD DID THAT

[gdizzle]

IM NOT A LIBERAL AND WHICH MOD DID THAT

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? Did what hippie?

[Che'_Moderator]

? Did what hippie?

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Whats a hippie?

[gdizzle]

Whats a hippie?

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Not sure, I hear they make trees out of polycarbonate then smoke them.