gdizzle Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 i just hope iraq clears up in 4 years....←I bet! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 the ball is rolling, and i don't things are going to turn permanently worse unless we back out now. it will take a few years to see significant progress, but progress can allready be seen. the economy over there isn't the best, but it is growing pretty rapidly. they also have a good infastructure in place as far as having all kinds of educated people. the terrorists over there are starting to lose support from the locals, which is what is most nessicary for stability. thankfully it's not a third world country, and there are plenty of people who can step up and lead that country in the coming years. one wierd turn of events: i want the iraq soccer team to do well this olympics :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InlineTurbo Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 I didn't.That's all I was getting at. And who knows how we're going to get there when there's an endless supply of people willing to blow themselves up because they hate America and won't live under a government brought about by us. I have a friend over there in the Marines, so I know they're doing all the good public works stuff, don't get me wrong. I just think we're in a bad spot.←Ok, that is good. Didn't really mean to be quite that harsh, but I get sick and tired of all the irrational crap people spout about Iraq. Looks like you are seeing the more balanced picture at least. War is NEVER good. However it is sometimes NECESSARY. Thing is the Iraqi's are on our side for the most part. It is the terrorists that are not and the locals want them out too. Most of the problems we have now are because we didn't finish some conflics and don't go after bad guys strongly enough. People attack us because for years our policy was to not do anything that would bring the presiden'ts poll numbers down. Now we have a president who does the right thing even though it isn't popular. That is called LEADERSHIP. I may not agree with all of Bush's policies, but when the chips are down I'd rather have him running my country than some ultra liberal who needs to take a poll to find out what to wear on vacation and changes his stance on the issue depending on who he is talking to. The Kerry strategy is to fight a more "sensative war" and not to make the terrorists angry. News flash. They are already angry and attacked us without provocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeskier8585 Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 :unsure: remeber our last sensisitve war? .............. o ya vietnam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 i think the war in iraq is a bit too sensitive to be honest. these guys are using their mosques as ammo dumps because they know we wont touch them <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeskier8585 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 i think the war in iraq is a bit too sensitive to be honest. these guys are using their mosques as ammo dumps because they know we wont touch them ←which is why carpet bombing looks soo nice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 which is why carpet bombing looks soo nice....← i don't nessicarily agree with that, because most of these people are fed up with the terrorists. they are kidnapping people and forcing them to do things, and the populace is too afraid of them to rat them out (which is slowly changing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Thats cool, and I'm sick of you towing the Liberal line on everything with nothing other than your opinion to back yourself up. Though I shall point out a few things. 1) I'm not a republican. 2)Your statement is in itself ignorant because I didn't make an assertion about political parties. 3)Lots of what you see on the news is B.S. My highschool history teacher put it best when she said that most of the demonstrations you see happen on TV start when they turn on the cameras and quit when the cameras turn off. 4) I was pointing out that the information I got about rebuilding Iraq was coming from somebody who had boots on ground for a year or so. I'll take news from people who have been there. Not to mention even our news people are admiting things are better in Iraq. Like a tshirt I have says: "Freedom isn't free, Peace ain't pretty." We didn't win our freedom in this country by fighting a "sensative war." (Not this story for reference: http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20040805.htm) Neither did France, Germany or Russia. So what makes Iraq the miracle country that can gain their freedom from a ruthless dictator in a years time and not need any support?Keep believing whatever makes you feel better.←Keep believing it is ok to blow people up, if that makes you feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) News flash. They are already angry and attacked us without provocation.←huh, sounds familiar, kinda like us invading Iraq. if our intentions are so altruistic, tell me, why don't we just go ahead and invade Iran and North Korea? They definitely have WMD and brutal dictators. And they really, really, hate us. So what are we waiting for? Peace ain't pretty! Yeee-hawwww, let's go boys!!! Edited August 18, 2004 by kenhoeve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeskier8585 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 but iran gives us oil :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s70Rbumper:) Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 This is our President? bush speaksPlease, please don't vote for this monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 if we invaded north korea, seoul would be leveled in like the first twenty minutes. the north koreans have the capacity to wreak serious havoc on both south korea as well as japan. iraq didn't have the capacity to completely destabilize the region, and turn into a much much larger conflict. china would most likely come to the aid of the north koreans. and the allies of south korea, japan, and the united states would likely be brought into the fight. basically, it has the potential to escalate to a major war very quickly.as far as iran is concerned, things may change from within over there in the next few years. i don't think the US has the stomach nor the pocketbook for another war in iran. iraq has been historically much more aggressive than iran. much of the same reasoning was behind why we did not invade cambodia after the vietnam war. pol pot was a pretty brutal nasty guy, but the public did not have the stomach for more bloodshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 so why didn't we invade them before they became a threat?DPRK- nothing in it for us. poor intelligence allowed them to go nuclear.Iran- well we thought we could just supply Iraq with WMD courtesy of GHWB, and mess em up. that backfired. now their sworn mission is to wipe us from the face of the earth. super.but mostly, we didn't have the 9/11 get out of jail free card to artificially justify a pre-emptive strike.you live in texas, what do you know about the mexican american war? what started it? it has significance as far as this is concerned.ponder this:one comes to a decision based on what one wants, not what one doesn't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InlineTurbo Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 huh, sounds familiar, kinda like us invading Iraq. if our intentions are so altruistic, tell me, why don't we just go ahead and invade Iran and North Korea? They definitely have WMD and brutal dictators. And they really, really, hate us. So what are we waiting for? Peace ain't pretty! Yeee-hawwww, let's go boys!!!←I think the concept of strategy eludes you. But that is ok. Common sense and liberalism are usually exclusive concepts. I mean everything can be solved with talking right? Suicide bombers are just misunderstood. We should try negotiating with people who pay 20K to family members of suicide bombers. If you think we attacked Iraq out of the blue and for no reason then I really feel sorry for you. Go back and read the UN resolutions I've posted a number of times. Regardless of everything else they broke the cease fire that was placed on them at the end of the first Gulf war. The one where they invaded Kuwait. Remember that? Or does history begin yesterday for you?I also remember Bush warning Iran, North Korea and Iraq. Iraq was the more pressing problem. The rest have quieted down. I wonder why? Our old friend Mohammar gave up his nuke & bio program. Guess that was due to Jimmy Carter's negotiation skill. Oh, wait he was the one who gave your buddy in North Korea nuclear weapons. Try arguing with facts next time. It works better than emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheheel Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 so why didn't we invade them before they became a threat?←do you remember a cease fire at the end of the korean war? they have not pissed on it like saddam pissed on the cease fire at the end of desert storm.the stipulations for both cease fires were very different. i can assure you we would have a different posture if it were otherwise.things have escalated in certain areas since that cease fire, but the situation dictates a different response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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