JeffW Posted September 14, 2005 Author Report Posted September 14, 2005 I sent smores and toys for the kiddies. What more do you want? ......Did you miss the first post in the thread?I was complaining about DeLay's "summer camp" remark. Regardless......This is America, not Nigeria. Supposedly one of the more advanced countries in the world. These medium-term refugees are still living in makeshift accommodations. Nobody asked to have their houses and livelihoods washed away. These people need residences (with kitchens, bedrooms and furniture) and subsistence in the meantime. Call them whatever you want. The fact remains that these refugees did not cause the hurricane.Go ahead, keep making light of the situation. I'm sure yours and DeLay's "caring" attitudes will perpetuate this "third world" treatment of the problem.I'm a Republican who will vote against welfare EVERY time. However, I'm also a patriot who believes that we pay billions in taxes so that our gov't is equipped to take care of dire situations such as this one. There are no excuses for American people displaced by disaster to endure third world living conditions.
Plan_B Posted September 14, 2005 Report Posted September 14, 2005 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Plan B @ Sep 14 2005, 03:48 PM) ←</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Are there miltary guys there Yeah Grant. And they wear gloves and their covered in human crap. You should love it.
EricF Posted September 14, 2005 Report Posted September 14, 2005 Did you miss the first post in the thread?I was complaining about DeLay's "summer camp" remark. Regardless......This is America, not Nigeria. Supposedly one of the more advanced countries in the world. These medium-term refugees are still living in makeshift accommodations. Nobody asked to have their houses and livelihoods washed away. These people need residences (with kitchens, bedrooms and furniture) and subsistence in the meantime. Call them whatever you want. The fact remains that these refugees did not cause the hurricane.Go ahead, keep making light of the situation. I'm sure yours and DeLay's "caring" attitudes will perpetuate this "third world" treatment of the problem.I'm a Republican who will vote against welfare EVERY time. However, I'm also a patriot who believes that we pay billions in taxes so that our gov't is equipped to take care of dire situations such as this one. There are no excuses for American people displaced by disaster to endure third world living conditions.There's only so much the government can do. Bureaucratic immobility has ruined a lot of the relief efforts, especially early on. Nobody was seriously ready for this, and if you think that the bulk of these people are going to get houses with kitchens, bedrooms, and furniture, you need to wake up. It's just not realistic.It's a tragedy because it's tragic what has happened and is happening, and it's of such a large scale that teh government can't just fix everything with a wave of their hand. The summer camp comment was in bad taste, but the pressure on them is probably beyond what you and I can imagine. I've said some stupid things in high pressure situations before, that doesn't mean I'm going straight to hell for it.It's very easy to be critical of others and how they deal with this situation, especially when they are under the lime light and in our living rooms dealing with it from moment-to-moment, but placed in the same situation, we probably wouldn't do so well either.
JeffW Posted September 14, 2005 Author Report Posted September 14, 2005 .......if you think that the bulk of these people are going to get houses with kitchens, bedrooms, and furniture, you need to wake up. It's just not realistic........Probably true.However, hotel rooms with microwaves and frozen food would be a good start. There are MILLIONS of hotel rooms in this country.
Che'_Moderator Posted September 14, 2005 Report Posted September 14, 2005 I'm a Republican who will vote against welfare EVERY time. However, I'm also a patriot who believes that we pay billions in taxes so that our gov't is equipped to take care of dire situations such as this one. There are no excuses for American people displaced by disaster to endure third world living conditions.Probably true.However, hotel rooms with microwaves and frozen food would be a good start.There are MILLIONS of hotel rooms in this country.Wow you have lost your mind. You think they are being treated like a 3rd world country. Have you ever lived in a 3rd world country? Trust me they are fine. In a third world country they would have recieved no warning, and a lot more would be wiped out. The ones who made it would be left to fend for themselves, which they would quite fine, until the US or another watch dog group came to the rescue. The federal gov is there to protect you and give you the chance to survive. Prospering was never in its outline.
Nebor Posted September 14, 2005 Report Posted September 14, 2005 Wow you have lost your mind. You think they are being treated like a 3rd world country. Have you ever lived in a 3rd world country? Trust me they are fine. In a third world country they would have recieved no warning, and a lot more would be wiped out. The ones who made it would be left to fend for themselves, which they would quite fine, until the US or another watch dog group came to the rescue. The federal gov is there to protect you and give you the chance to survive. Prospering was never in its outline.You're saying it's not the government's job to take care of us? Keep us from getting hurt? Watch out for bad decisions we may make?That's preposterous!
gdizzle Posted September 14, 2005 Report Posted September 14, 2005 You're saying it's not the government's job to take care of us? Keep us from getting hurt? Watch out for bad decisions we may make?That's preposterous!can you read?The federal gov is there to protect you and give you the chance to survive. Prospering was never in its outline.
Che'_Moderator Posted September 14, 2005 Report Posted September 14, 2005 Ok I say no one is that dumb... well there is no way two of you are. Nebor your joking right? Greg thinks your seroius
gdizzle Posted September 14, 2005 Report Posted September 14, 2005 Ok I say no one is that dumb... well there is no way two of you are. Nebor your joking right? Greg thinks your seroiusI hope he's joking...
the ünderstüdy Posted September 15, 2005 Report Posted September 15, 2005 "george bush hates black people"-kayne westKATRINA YOU SLUT!my 2cents
JeffW Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Posted September 15, 2005 Wow you have lost your mind. You think they are being treated like a 3rd world country. Have you ever lived in a 3rd world country?......Sure have. They, at least, had shacks. ......The federal gov is there to protect you and give you the chance to survive. Prospering was never in its outline.In protecting us that includes protecting our prosperity. Why do you think it's more attractive to invest on American soil than on Sudanese? We have a stable gov't which protects the rights of private property owners.Hurricane Katrina was, simply, a hurricane. Her effects, however, were 100X more damaging than necessary due to the gov't's decision NOT to provide adequate protection from weather that was inevitable. The victims deserve to live in a manner which is acceptable under western culture, not camping in public places.If we can't treat our own people at least as well as the Iraqis, it's time for a serious gut check.You're saying it's not the government's job to..........Watch out for bad decisions we may make?That's preposterous!You're right, it's not!That's why we must punish the citizens of New Orleans for having a huge hurricane without the walls to prevent massive destruction!! :wacko:
SlowV Posted September 15, 2005 Report Posted September 15, 2005 AS for the senator being the worst so far this year ... he sure ranks up there .... the lawyer and judge that just made the disicsion that the pledge is unconstitutional , might have to be in the same group .
Zulu Posted September 15, 2005 Report Posted September 15, 2005 AS for the senator being the worst so far this year ... he sure ranks up there .... the lawyer and judge that just made the disicsion that the pledge is unconstitutional , might have to be in the same group .>_< the pledge being unconstitutional is such a mediocre issue, hell it's just a distraction. those guys wouldn't even make the list.
Che'_Moderator Posted September 15, 2005 Report Posted September 15, 2005 by the way, not everyone is staying in tents. i went home two weekends ago to help out. know where i went? a hotel that was offering extremely low rates to victims. i also went to a camp that was housing 500 refugees that was pretty darn nice. not tents. sure they are in cabins, but they are new, clean, air conditioned, and quiet. in fact, there are a whole lot of people staying in hotels, and some apartment owners are opening up their empty units to house refugees for either very cheap or for free. also churches in teh area are paying for peoples stays in apartments or extended stay hotels as well as taking in massive donations of food and clothing. two weeks ago, on 12 hours of notice, i saw a portable filled to the ceiling with a small aisle down the middle of just FOOD. PEOPLE are responding. the government is not capable of making sure everyone is fat and happy.and this isnt nessicarily an indictment of anyone here, but instead of complaining, why doesn't anyone do something to help out? WE are the nation, not the politicians in washington. WE have just as much responsibility if not more to help out than the government does. that's what self governance is all about...well partially.it's a terrible awful situation. it's not the end of the world, and not everyone is sleeping on the ground.FEMA is paying market price +10% to hotels. So not free, just free for the refugees. They actually tried to break Kendalls lease because FEMA would pay more. Great logic. Gready people everywhere
JeffW Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Posted September 15, 2005 .........instead of complaining, why doesn't anyone do something to help out? WE are the nation, not the politicians in washington. WE have just as much responsibility if not more to help out than the government does..........First off, I'd be surprised if many aren't helping out. Most can't help on-site, but have donated supplies and money.Disaster relief is most certainly NOT the citizens' responsibility. We should help because it's the right thing to do. However, we also pay BILLIONS in taxes. The gov't is obligated to handle the situation in an equitable and organized manner, with or without the help of private citizens.We don't need the police if there's no crime. We don't need the Army if there's no war. We don't need FEMA if there's no emergencies. A perfect world needs no government. The government is there SPECIFICALLY to help citizens when they are unable to help themselves. It's ironic that you folks liken disaster victims to welfare recipients. 90% of these victims are working people with residences and jobs that are currently underwater. Anybody who thinks that working Americans want to drag this thing out and ride the guv'ment cheese train any longer than they have to is plain ignorant. These people just want to get back to some semblance of "normal" life.Back on topic:DeLay is a big a$$hole for making light of people's hardship.
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