turbobrick Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 bushings only, i think a meetup very soon is in order bud ? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GShyneDM Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 If your S/V/C70 has the 4-bolt mounts, then you will not be able to upgrade. This is only for the 2-bolt mounting style. There was no rhyme or reason from Volvo on the S/V/C70 as far as which one they installed. Some cars have the 2-bolt style, some have the 4-bolt style. You just have to peek under your car and see which one you have to figure out if you can upgrade. However, ALL 850s have the 2-bolt mounting style.Here is a picture of the difference:Well that effin sucks!! Got me all excited... *grumbles* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 so.. ride is similar?also, slater, what is the control arm made of? the joints are chromoly steel... but were u able to use aluminum to lighten the control arm? (unless i missed reading it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I keep hearing reports about extreme wear on these bushings...Some only reach 6K miles or so.Explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 so.. ride is similar?also, slater, what is the control arm made of? the joints are chromoly steel... but were u able to use aluminum to lighten the control arm? (unless i missed reading it)I don't make the control arms. I buy aftermarket control arms, press out the bushings, machine them to spec, repaint them, and get them all ready to go.They are made of high-heat cast iron. Supposedly stronger than OEM and other aftermarket arms.I keep hearing reports about extreme wear on these bushings...Some only reach 6K miles or so.Explain?On my bushings? That;s impossible. No one buy Kirill owns them.If you mean the STOCK bushings, it is because they must be pre-loaded correctly during installation. If they are not, the bushings will self-descruct in the metal shell (because they are vulcanized like the stock sway bar bushings) and wear out. Florian has gone through SIX sets of control arms in 2 years on his race car - every one the arm itself is perfect but the bushings are fried! He is soooo excited about the Delrin bushings because they do not wear out. The reason, besides them being Delrin, is that they are free-floating, and do not need to be pre-loaded a certain way during installation. Just slide the arm in place and tighten it down. Done. If you do that same thing with the stock arms you will ruin the bushings within 10k miles as you have heard. Most people don't know why though. I only knew about the loading procedure because it's outlined in VADIS. Someone that doesn't have VADIS would never know including an indy mechanic.so.. ride is similar?Ride is identical to stock. You will not tell the difference except a night and day difference in handling. There are absolutely no downsides to the mod - only positives. Control arms will last 10xs longer, handling increase, safer driving, fun factor x10, etc.Well that effin sucks!! Got me all excited... *grumbles*Well now, hold on. I MAY be working on a version for the 4-bolt mounting style arms. But I wouldn't even be starting on it until next year sometime.Just making sure, because, a lot of the BMw ones say to only use them for track cars.by the way I wanted to say that every car's suspension is different. On cars like Honda/Acura with 4-wheel independant suspension if you tried replacing the stock rubber bushings with delrin you would piss blood every time you drove the car. Even aftermarket poly replacement bushings are harsh.On the Volvo there is no difference in ride quality. It's just the suspension dynamics - the control arm bushings do not influence ride quality due to our car's suspension design.BMW will be different too. Those cars may ride super rough with delrin bushings. Every car will be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackT5 Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I gots the two bolt Now if you can get the flange pics to me in the next week I can add a set of bushings to my order!Sorry man, i'm going to keep buggin ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachnut Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I'm still down for a set of full arms Slater :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kir Posted December 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I keep hearing reports about extreme wear on these bushings...Some only reach 6K miles or so.Explain?You mean Slater's bushings? Very strange, because I believe I'm the only one (except Slater himself) who is driving with them. I used to drive appx. 300 km with them as for now and everything's fine.Spy photo for US guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 You mean Slater's bushings? Very strange, because I believe I'm the only one (except Slater himself) who is driving with them. I used to drive appx. 300 km with them as for now and everything's fine.Spy photo for US guys Nice pic!Yeah, I don't think he was talking about these. It would be impossible since no one has my bushings but myself, Kirill, and Florian (Florian has not installed them yet because he is still in the US). And I have been running them for 9 months now on my car (about 5k) miles and there is ZERO wear - they look as new as the day I installed them. I dissasembled them and checked everything recently.The QBM bushings are lifetime warranted. There is a reason why that is the case. It's because they last a lifetime and because I stand behind everything I make 100%.If someone else made delrin bushings that wore out, perhaps they used the wrong formulation of delrin. There is about 2 dozen different "Delrin" formulas, all with different properties. Different hardness, temperature properties, different chemicals added or removed like teflon, etc. So not all Delrin is the same.The Delrin formula the QBM bushings are made of is the proper formulation suitable for automotive suspension bushings. In other words, I used the correct stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus stop Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I have few questions:how many bushing include for that price you mentioned above, is it for one control arm or 2?are they only work for the front control arm?how diffcult is the installation? do we need a press to do it or just as easy as the upper engine mount?thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I have few questions:how many bushing include for that price you mentioned above, is it for one control arm or 2?are they only work for the front control arm?how diffcult is the installation? do we need a press to do it or just as easy as the upper engine mount?thanksThis is for a SET of bushings - everything you need to replace your control arm bushings. There are 4 bushings in a set - 2 per arm.Yes, they only work for the front control arms because our cars only have front control arms.The installation is easy with the included instructions. All you need is basic hand tools and a jack. The control arm itself is held to the subframe by 2 bolts, and the ball joint is attached to the spindle by 1 bolt. Maybe Kirill will chime in and talk about the installation and how easy it is. I have done it on my car a few times now and can have both sides done in under 30 minutes. If you have never done it before it will take maybe an hour tops.Yes, to get out the stock bushings you need a press unless you are Superman. If you don't have a press, any local machine shop and many automotive repair shops and even high schools with technical trade programs have presses. You should be charged no more than $10 to remove the bushings. Also, if you send your arms to QBM we will remove them for free granted you pay shipping. Of course the easiest thing to do would be to just buy the whole arm kit, ready to bolt onto your car. No pressing needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCviggen Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 pre-ordered They will get the Nordschleife treatment as well next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PullMyFinger Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Looking forward to a set myself Thanks for coming through on this product Greg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hank Scorpio Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Slater, it might be possible to burn the old bushing out. I haven't seen them yet so Im assuming. I've had to burn bushings out before. (unless they have a metal outter sleeve, then inner bushing with an innermost metal sleeve then press'in em out it is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbobrick Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Slater, it might be possible to burn the old bushing out. I haven't seen them yet so Im assuming. I've had to burn bushings out before. (unless they have a metal outter sleeve, then inner bushing with an innermost metal sleeve then press'in em out it is)exactly what i had in mind doug !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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