Will America Go Into Iran?

[RAzOR]

our boys need to come home period. enough is enough we need to finish cleaning up that mess n get our boy's asses back here. sitting here talking about if we're gonna "bomb the livin shizzle" outta someone else should be the farthest thing from our minds. kuzia60 lets just lay off of razor, we made our point in the last thread. razor you're definite on your standpoint so lets agree to disagree. instead of mindless arguing amonst ourselves about the "necessity" or "foolishness" of war, how about we pray that no more families get the call that their sons/daughters aren't gonna make it home for their next birthday.

RIP Fallen heros...

Bless the heros that are still there...

And that's what's great about this country, it's why our way of life IS BETTER- we CAN agree to disagree. Not only is there Good and Evil but there is BETTER AND WORSE.

Just curious what the mood is in the US about the Iran situation?

What are peoples opinions on the situation and does anyone really think bush would be mad enough to start a war with the iranians?

While militarily they would not be an issue, it would another slog. I don't the majority of Americans, including me, want to see us go in- unless we keep it and trade them our way of life for their oil! DEAL!

Why didnt US attack iran or north Korea in the first place. WE KNOW they have the bomb or are extremly close to getting one. also, once again, The people that bombed the word trade center were not iraqi. Bin ladens family and most of the people that planned this attack are still living lavishly in saudi arabia.

Korea came after we went into Iraq also Clinton supopsedly locked up that deal.

Edited February 6, 2006 by RAzOR

[TheDude]

And that's what's great about this country, it's why our way of life IS BETTER- we CAN agree to disagree. Not only is there Good and Evil but there is BETTER AND WORSE.

While militarily they would not be an issue, it would another slog. I don't the majority of Americans, including me, want to see us go in- unless we keep it and trade them our way of life for their oil! DEAL!

Korea came after we went into Iraq also Clinton supopsedly locked up that deal.

The deal was "locked up" but the bush administration decied not to pursue it. come on now, North Korea is in the "Axis of Evil". Nothing is "locked up now". lol, Korea came after iraq???? lol, are u dumb, all of the intellegince was pointing to the fact that they had the bomb way before iraq. And please adress the fact that osama is not iraqi, u kinda seem to be ignoring that fact

[After_Shock]

Iran wouldnt exactly be a walk over militarily, its a completely different ball game to Iraq, as in it actually has a decent air defence system something that Iraq was missing and made it very easy to get into, the Iranian army is also larger again.

Iran is also one of the U.K's defence suppliers biggest customers, admittedly the stuff isnt as technically advanced as the US stuff but in the right hands i.e the U.K's its more than a match for most the equipment out their, however im not sure on the state of training that the whole iranian defence system would be in. Also im sure they have a fair bit of kit lying around from Russia and China so could all be used to a nasty mix.

[RAzOR]

Iran wouldnt exactly be a walk over militarily, its a completely different ball game to Iraq, as in it actually has a decent air defence system something that Iraq was missing and made it very easy to get into, the Iranian army is also larger again.

Iran is also one of the U.K's defence suppliers biggest customers, admittedly the stuff isnt as technically advanced as the US stuff but in the right hands i.e the U.K's its more than a match for most the equipment out their, however im not sure on the state of training that the whole iranian defence system would be in. Also im sure they have a fair bit of kit lying around from Russia and China so could all be used to a nasty mix.

Iran would be milk-toast and I'm not boasting. Their military has not been significantly updated and is smaller than Iraq's was. Look what happened in Gulf War I, Iraq army was much more modern then comparatively and they were decimated.

The deal was "locked up" but the bush administration decied not to pursue it. come on now, North Korea is in the "Axis of Evil". Nothing is "locked up now". lol, Korea came after iraq???? lol, are u dumb, all of the intellegince was pointing to the fact that they had the bomb way before iraq. And please adress the fact that osama is not iraqi, u kinda seem to be ignoring that fact

I'm not ignoring any fact. You misunderstand me. Clinton brokered a deal with NK for food and humanitarian supplies in exchange for the end of their nuke program. Lotta good that did. That's what I meant. And Iraq never had the bomb.

Did you not read my post and in it addressing indirectly Osama not being Iraqi? There is a potential link I pointed out as rationale to go into Iraq. Read it again and don't call me dumb and I will continue to honor this exchange of ours by providing the informed dialogue. :)

[After_Shock]

Was sure they had a larger army and certainly a bigger air force, they have at least a few hundred chieftan tanks which are of decent quality something that iraq was lacking! Im sure they use F14/F16's aswell as there jet fighters, o.k not as up to date as the likes of the F18 and later models that the US has but still a much better effort than Iraq had.

[Zappo]

Was sure they had a larger army and certainly a bigger air force, they have at least a few hundred chieftan tanks which are of decent quality something that iraq was lacking! Im sure they use F14/F16's aswell as there jet fighters, o.k not as up to date as the likes of the F18 and later models that the US has but still a much better effort than Iraq had.

I very much doubt that Iran has F16s. They might have F14s from before the revolution, but they wouldn't be able to get any spare parts for them from that time on. I doubt they got anything from an American company after 1977.

[TheDude]

I'm not ignoring any fact. You misunderstand me. Clinton brokered a deal with NK for food and humanitarian supplies in exchange for the end of their nuke program. Lotta good that did. That's what I meant. And Iraq never had the bomb.

A lot of good that did? Your ignorance amazes me. Please, for the sake of argument look up the info relative to the treaty. As soon as bush came into office he threw out all of the negotiations with north korea and put them on the "axis of evil". And this means what. We are going to call them one of the most evil nations on earth and do nothing about it. I am beggining to tire of this argument. In the end there are other ways of getting peopple out of power and iraq wasent even a threat. The war in iraq is dumb as is a war for oil. It is an extemly easy target and that is why it was attacked by the most powerfull nation. Iran has more oil and is a much bigger threat to freedom yet US has not attacked them because of their military supremacy in the middle east.

[RAzOR]

A lot of good that did? Your ignorance amazes me. Please, for the sake of argument look up the info relative to the treaty. As soon as bush came into office he threw out all of the negotiations with north korea and put them on the "axis of evil". And this means what. We are going to call them one of the most evil nations on earth and do nothing about it. I am beggining to tire of this argument. In the end there are other ways of getting peopple out of power and iraq wasent even a threat. The war in iraq is dumb as is a war for oil. It is an extemly easy target and that is why it was attacked by the most powerfull nation. Iran has more oil and is a much bigger threat to freedom yet US has not attacked them because of their military supremacy in the middle east.

Kuzia, my dear sir, you are just plain wrong. Your information is entirely wrong. Your facts are entirely wrong. This is not hard- check the facts, historical timelines, etc. You are just plain wrong and unless you want to utilize actual, real history in your decision making process, there is literally nothing I can say to you since you do not choose to exist in the real world.

Listen, in all sincerity, you have great energy to debate which is unfortunately rare these days- make the energy you spend worthwhile and base your arguments in fact. It takes a little work but soon you will know where you can get reliable information from you'll be surprised and pleased with what you can accomplish.

Hint to get you started, Go ahead , its easy! There was no term "Axis of Evil" until after 9-11. Bush came into office 11 months prioir and his focus was education reform. He was even at an elementary school when the 9-11 attack happened.

I very much doubt that Iran has F16s. They might have F14s from before the revolution, but they wouldn't be able to get any spare parts for them from that time on. I doubt they got anything from an American company after 1977.

Iran had some F-14's back when the Shah was in power, but since then there have been no parts to maintain them and they were salvaged.

I can tell you with complete certainty Iraq's military was far, far more formidable in the region than Iran's. No nation in the ME save for Turkey (NATO) would present any real challenge to coalition forces.

Edited February 7, 2006 by RAzOR

[Zappo]

Iran had some F-14's back when the Shah was in power, but since then there have been no parts to maintain them and they were salvaged.

I believe I said this already.

I can tell you with complete certainty Iraq's military was far, far more formidable in the region than Iran's. No nation in the ME save for Turkey (NATO) would present any real challenge to coalition forces.

Razor is correct here.

At the time of the Gulf War, Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world, if I remember correctly. It didn't last very long. They were never really able to rebuild it to anything close to what they had before, so when GW went after Saddam, it wasn't that hard. The US has been in control of their air space since the Gulf War so going back in was never going to be that difficult.

Iran's military would be easier to defeat than Iraq's, or at least easier than Iraq's the first time around. The bigger problem would be maintaining order once you are there. Iraq's insurgent problem would be nothing compared to Iran's. Their Universites are like breeding grounds for anti-Western beliefs.

[starfish]

Could you please save me a space in that bubble you live in? I'd love to know how someone who spends some time reading news articles can be as ignorant and brainwashed as you. In the world today, anyone can "bomb the livin shizzle" out of anyone else. Nothing special... we all have nuclear weapons... the thing is, it would be innocent bystanders as the victims. Power by threat of force or by force is not the way to do things in this day and age. Anyone can be a bully, it takes a real man to maintain peace.

Peace begins with the overwhelming use of force. I'm sure you mean well but you lost your focus and are stuck in a pre 9/11 mindset. This is another leg in the war on Islamo-fascism. I don't believe that the vast majority of Islamists can or want to conincide with modernists in society. To them we are all infidels and deserve to die. How do you plan on bargaining with them for peace when you head has been cut off your shoulders? There were many peole who opposed war with Japan and Germany in WWII. History shows that war as being the right course of action just like this war will be seen as in the future. You need to learn who the face of the enemy really is. I'll give you a clue...It's not George Bush!

[Sinbad]

Peace begins with the overwhelming use of force.

So maybe the fundamentalists were trying to cause an outbreak of peace with 9/11?

[HtownTurboBrick]

Peace begins with the overwhelming use of force. I'm sure you mean well but you lost your focus and are stuck in a pre 9/11 mindset. This is another leg in the war on Islamo-fascism. I don't believe that the vast majority of Islamists can or want to conincide with modernists in society. To them we are all infidels and deserve to die. How do you plan on bargaining with them for peace when you head has been cut off your shoulders? There were many peole who opposed war with Japan and Germany in WWII. History shows that war as being the right course of action just like this war will be seen as in the future. You need to learn who the face of the enemy really is. I'll give you a clue...It's not George Bush!

Whats your view of Islam in general? But it sounds like you're basing your perception of Muslims on what has been linked w/ terrorist. If you truly believe all of that is from Islamic belief...i must say you're dumber then i thought. I can accept the fact that you stand fast on your opinions, however poorly based, because thats an American right. But if you're gonna start lumping a group of people together and talk stuff, you're just another neo-nazi loon. And i don't take kindly to discrimination at all. What is your problem that you think everything can be solved w/ war? If violence is truly the answer, i challange you to come down here n get in a sparring ring with me. I'll give you 2 rounds to knock me out n then ill descimate you. Thats whats going on over there, we're in round 2 n we haven't knocked them out yet, so we're just pissing em off. What do you think is gonna happen when its time for them to fight back? 9/11 is gonna look like a drive by if they decide to run a full assualt on our soil. Our boys should be here guarding our boarders, not over there losing lives. You advocate something you're too chicken stuff to do yourself...don't tell people to do stuff you don't have the balls to do. And my challenge stands, if you truly believe violence is an answer...i'm more then willing to provide you with a live action example of what of "controled violence" is and mayb ull get the picture of what is going on over there. You're welcome to your opinions, but please keep them down to a minimal...your ignorance is dumbfounding.

So maybe the fundamentalists were trying to cause an outbreak of peace with 9/11?

+100 :lol:

[Boosted5cyl]

Good info from you both, They're all bastards that'll get there's in due time but it's hard to tell who's next right now, depends who starts bucking the most I guess, go UN, suffocate um !

[RAzOR]

Whats your view of Islam in general? But it sounds like you're basing your perception of Muslims on what has been linked w/ terrorist. If you truly believe all of that is from Islamic belief...i must say you're dumber then i thought. I can accept the fact that you stand fast on your opinions, however poorly based, because thats an American right. But if you're gonna start lumping a group of people together and talk stuff, you're just another neo-nazi loon. And i don't take kindly to discrimination at all. What is your problem that you think everything can be solved w/ war? If violence is truly the answer, i challange you to come down here n get in a sparring ring with me. I'll give you 2 rounds to knock me out n then ill descimate you. Thats whats going on over there, we're in round 2 n we haven't knocked them out yet, so we're just pissing em off. What do you think is gonna happen when its time for them to fight back? 9/11 is gonna look like a drive by if they decide to run a full assualt on our soil. Our boys should be here guarding our boarders, not over there losing lives. You advocate something you're too chicken stuff to do yourself...don't tell people to do stuff you don't have the balls to do. And my challenge stands, if you truly believe violence is an answer...i'm more then willing to provide you with a live action example of what of "controled violence" is and mayb ull get the picture of what is going on over there. You're welcome to your opinions, but please keep them down to a minimal...your ignorance is dumbfounding.

The west could wipe out nearly all of Islam and Buddhism and Hinduism in thirty minutes which not coincidentally is the time it takes for an ICBM to reach its target. A fact that is lost on the vastly illiterate masses of Muslims who think Allah is keeping the infidels at bay. We are keeping ourselves at bay.

Our war, in my humble opinion is for the heart of the moderate Muslim, who is afraid of being killed by the radical Muslim which is why they are largely silent. The real civil war in Islam will erupt once (if at all) the moderates decide the radicals are their worst enemy. Unfortunately, I think that is the strategy the West must adopt- enabling the moderate Islamists to reclaim their religeon. The Christians went through this 500 years ago.

Edited February 7, 2006 by RAzOR

[ACBarnett]

Iran wouldnt exactly be a walk over militarily, its a completely different ball game to Iraq, as in it actually has a decent air defence system something that Iraq was missing and made it very easy to get into, the Iranian army is also larger again.

Iran is also one of the U.K's defence suppliers biggest customers, admittedly the stuff isnt as technically advanced as the US stuff but in the right hands i.e the U.K's its more than a match for most the equipment out their, however im not sure on the state of training that the whole iranian defence system would be in. Also im sure they have a fair bit of kit lying around from Russia and China so could all be used to a nasty mix.

yeah, they have tons of stuff left over from when the US and the UK supplied them during the days of the shah. They also have a much more fanatical devotion to theor country and more of a will to fight than the iraqi army did. It would not be a fun time, especially if they have a couple nukes already.

Luckily they seem to be a bit more even-headed than the north koreans. There is a reason we aren't going after north korea, it would be an absolute bloodbath. North korea has a standing army of over 2 million, and they would love an excuse to invade south korea, which a war would give them. Nevermind if china got involved to back them up. It would be "game over" for the US if that happened, since portion of china's population that's eligible for military service outnumbers the total population of the US by the tens of millions.