whitev70r Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 (edited) So I'm quite sure you've heard about the riots, protests, violence erupting in Europe and Syria about some Danish paper publishing cartoon depictions of Mohammed. I just have a couple of thoughts and would like to have a meaningful/serious discussion about this. So, please be respectful. This is my opinion. You've got two very strong and indelible rights clashing. On the one hand, you have the right of freedom of speech/expression. On the other hand, you have the right to one's own religious beliefs. That's the nature of rights, sometimes they clash in a society. In this case, I think those with the right to free speech should refrain from using their rights out of respect to those with deep religious convictions. I mean publishing those cartoons hardly fall into the category of censorship ... it was an unnecessary usage of the right of 'free speech'. Any thoughts? Comments, especially from the Muslim community, would be very much appreciated to help us understand this. Edited February 9, 2006 by whitev70r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s40euro Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 So I will be the first one who wrote about it.May be you remember what I have wrote on the topic about National Anthems.who sholud do what while playing.I will state the same.You (of course I do not mean you but the person) have to show respect to others country religion anthem etc...And for the nasty and even horrifying events in Syria and also in other Europen contries (incl. mine Turkiye) is not accaptable.It is against the nature of Islam. Islamic Religion is based on humanism. But nowadays due to some consipiracy or politic games WE are misunderstood.A few fanatics behaivor makes whole 1.5 billion Muslims killers or the world consider like that. The reason behind this is some feodal dictatorships in Middle East. In order to keep their power they mislead and misteach (is there a word like that in English ? ) the religion on their citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownTurboBrick Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 freedom of speech is exactly that a freedom, but that does not give way to respecting others. To fully take advantage of a freedom one should be able to restrain themselves as well as act upon it, not just acting upon it and not considering consquences. Besides freedom of speech isn't completely free, yelling fire in a movie theater will get you some jail time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javadoc Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I guess you'd have to ask yourself if you were Jewish or Catholic or whatever, how would you react if the figure you held in such high regard religiously were portrayed like Mohammed was. For me, I'd be offended and that's about it. It is sad to see the violent reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitev70r Posted February 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Yah, no need for the violent protests, that's a bit out of hand but +1 on the comment about responsibility and freedom. So often, we just harp on freedom freedom freedom. I think those who have so much freedom should restrain once in a while voluntarily. Flaunting our freedom on a global scale is a bit arrogant, especially in places where freedom is hard to come by and a precious privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinbad Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Does "Freedom of Speech" include the right to say things that are harmful or hurtful to others?If so, why are there so many libel/defamation suits in the USA?What if you shout FIRE in a crowded theatre and people are killed in the ensuing stampede?With freedom comes responsibility... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 It is against the nature of Islam. Islamic Religion is based on humanism. But nowadays due to some consipiracy or politic games WE are misunderstood.A few fanatics behaivor makes whole 1.5 billion Muslims killers or the world consider like that. The reason behind this is some feodal dictatorships in Middle East. In order to keep their power they mislead and misteach (is there a word like that in English ? ) the religion on their citizens.Smart guy. Fanaticism is exactly what the religious zealots and dictators want. Keeps the citizens distracted and controllable. Focus their anger on something else while you continue to raid the coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottlecap Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 ok so a couple things... one cartoon actually captured what the paper was going for (several artists were asked to depict mohammed and all were printed at once). he drew a cartoon of an artist at his desk, drawing mohammed while looking over his shoulder. the point was to question whether the press was being free or was holding back criticism out of a fear of reprisal. no one thinks twice about drawing jesus, bush, angels, etc in a not so flattering way. i understand that islam does not allow for idols or images of the profit and such, but that only applies to muslims. if i want to draw mohammed doing something offensive, nothing should stop me. people can be offended and protest, that's fine. that's their right. they do not have the right to burn down embassies and such.honestly this goes beyond being offended. it has to do with the history of muslims in europe. they've been treated like c*** and discriminated against for a very long time. this is more about "the last straw" and feeling victimized by society rather than the cartoons themselves.-mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinbad Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I love the irony, though, of a bunch of people objecting to being depicted as violent, bomb-throwing fanatics being violent, bomb-throwing fanatics :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownTurboBrick Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I love the irony, though, of a bunch of people objecting to being depicted as violent, bomb-throwing fanatics being violent, bomb-throwing fanatics +1...and the violence is way out of line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynessas40 Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I like how the media blows this in everyone's face, even though the actual Denmark article was printed back in Septemeber 2005. Goes to show that the concerns of American society on world news is built around what our local news only cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 (edited) The worst part of this is that none of our allegedly "fearless" old media (newspapers, TV news) except for FoxNews will show us what the cartoons look like so we can each make our own decisions. Not even CNN. Not even on their websites. They won't even LINK to them. This is an outrage to me considering they will publish pics of crosses in urine and the Virgin Mary with elephant dung on her. This is our defenders of freedom of speech BOWING to these idiots. It makes me sick. It makes me wonder what else they decide not to show us.I'll post a link to the toons a little later. They are amazingly mild. Edited February 10, 2006 by RAzOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Those cartoons are months old. These riots are forced staged events by Islamo-fascists and are a sign of weakness not strength to gain support of Islamic moderates. I think they used the Jesse Jackson playbook and bused these insane people in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I think they used the Jesse Jackson playbook and bused these insane people in.Now that's funnay! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM850R Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Like whats been said already, I believe that if these people were really non-violent, then they would not burn down embassies. I realize that these are the actions of a few and not the entire nation of Islam. We have our own fanatics here in the USA. Remember the war protests in California (I think) that got ugly. They wanted peace but things got violent. Protests are a time where the ugly comes out of the woodwork and shows its face. Too bad it had to happen this way but it seems to be human nature.I dont think that the press over here will publish the cartoon because they are afraid for their own security. The Boston Globe refused to print it because "We dont have guards around the printing press". If they stormed the Danish embassies overseas, what would stop them from attacking the the printing presses. I dont blame them for not printing/showing the cartoon. If it offends over 1/5th of the worlds population, why would you do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts