Mogatu'r Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 :ph34r: Bitchin' Moans Complains, I'll start with saying that at first I was meh! I really dont give a ish! but then after I spoke with my brother who export cars for a living, and he expressed his concerns about this thing. I know disagree, it would be like having tigers guarding our meet deposits then again that's my opinion, by the way 75% of my father's business partners are Dubai descendent "loaded mofos and cool as heck, So is my boss and some co-workers I'd like to hear what you guys say about this Disagree or Agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javadoc Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I haven't really followed it but saw it on the Today show this morning... off the cuff I have to say that I think it'd be a bad idea, but I don't know the whole story yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownTurboBrick Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 MSNBC I really dunno what to think, Dubai is an extremely wealth country and they're more about capitalisim then terrorism. We may be a little bit quick to judge because they are of the United Arab Emirates. I mean the ports in question are already in control of a foreign country, Britain, ally or not the port still isn't controlled by a US company. If they're really gonna get on this subject about threats they really need to consider is having the port controlled by any foreign country a good idea. Just because it's controlled by a company that is based in a country that is allied dosen't make it non-security risk. the comapny could just as easily be controlled by terrorist or terrorist supporters as any other company. its interesting to see after all the homeland security divison this and that mumbo jumbo that our ports aren't under the watchful eye of the president who created the branch. he's willing to veto any bill that tries to stop the port purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resa850 Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 i don't know a lot about this issue either, but i think that we are the ones who should be controling our ports, not any other country. i find it even more irritating that bush is refusing to sign any bills stopping this. the things that this administration has gotten away with is mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 i don't know a lot about this issue either, but i think that we are the ones who should be controling our ports, not any other country. i find it even more irritating that bush is refusing to sign any bills stopping this. the things that this administration has gotten away with is mind boggling. Everything is for sale when you continue to cut taxes, but still need spend more money for the war. Same reason all this government land is up for sale now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Everything is for sale when you continue to cut taxes, but still need spend more money for the war. Same reason all this government land is up for sale now.I must of missed something? The UAE is buying thie ports from GB not the US so how do you make these connections? I can't imagine what some people would say if Wal-Mart or God forbid, Haliburton bought the ports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George @ ViVA Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Here's my take on it.DUBAI is a wealthy CITY, but United Arab Emirates is an even wealthier COUNTRY.With regards to the sale of 'our' ports, they weren't really ours in the first place. They have been owned by a British company for many years.How is the UAE purchasing the ports any more of a 'national security threat' than the British company?Finally, the Coast Guard and Customs and Border Protection Agency will continue handling ALL imports/exports from these ports.In my opinion, the US economy relies heavily on the investments of US securities and assets by wealthy middle east individuals. There are many princes/shieks throughout the middle east who are major shareholders for many well known US corporations. For example, a majorly publicized event was when a Saudi prince purchased 1 BILLION dollars of stocks (paid in cash) in AOL, Chase, and Priceline, back in 2002. I think he owns about 5% of Chase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) In my opinion, the US economy relies heavily on the investments of US securities and assets by wealthy middle east individuals.+1 Viva Le George :D Edited February 23, 2006 by Plan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George @ ViVA Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Thanks Grant...In case anyone has doubts about the amount of cash in the ME...They are building a whole new CITY on the Red Sea. Projected to cost over $21BILLION USD, almost entirely subsidized internally by Saudi investments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Confused, is it Viva Le or Viva La ? :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownTurboBrick Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) Here's my take on it.DUBAI is a wealthy CITY, but United Arab Emirates is an even wealthier COUNTRY.With regards to the sale of 'our' ports, they weren't really ours in the first place. They have been owned by a British company for many years.How is the UAE purchasing the ports any more of a 'national security threat' than the British company?+1 i honstely don't feel the down pipe World is a security threat at all, they're about making money not funding and supporting terrorism, that i know of. terrorism dosen't pay all that well, and it'll b kinda hard to buy another car that looked like this like the shiek of dubai on a terrorist's pay. Edited February 23, 2006 by HtownTurboBrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricF Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Here's my take on it.DUBAI is a wealthy CITY, but United Arab Emirates is an even wealthier COUNTRY.With regards to the sale of 'our' ports, they weren't really ours in the first place. They have been owned by a British company for many years.How is the UAE purchasing the ports any more of a 'national security threat' than the British company?Finally, the Coast Guard and Customs and Border Protection Agency will continue handling ALL imports/exports from these ports.In my opinion, the US economy relies heavily on the investments of US securities and assets by wealthy middle east individuals. There are many princes/shieks throughout the middle east who are major shareholders for many well known US corporations. For example, a majorly publicized event was when a Saudi prince purchased 1 BILLION dollars of stocks (paid in cash) in AOL, Chase, and Priceline, back in 2002. I think he owns about 5% of Chase...Thank you George The port employees will still largely be American, the security procedures will still fall under the jurisdiction of American agencies, what's the big deal? UAE is a heck of a rich country and Dubai from what I've heard is light years beyond most of our major cities in terms of technology and such. There have been UAE citizens who were Al Qaeda operatives, but there have been US citizens who were/are Al Qaeda operatives. This is just another example of the media playing on the ignorance of and stereotypes held by the general American population so they can make some money.If I were a terrorist and wanted to bomb a US port, I'd put explosives on a ship leaving a port in a different part of the country which has little to no security, and detonate it when it gets here. It doesn't take much rocket science to come up with that either...Just a total non-issue being blown out of proportions so people will watch the news to see what the latest update on it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogatu'r Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 UAE is a heck of a rich country and Dubai from what I've heard is light years beyond most of our major cities in terms of technology and such. There have been UAE citizens who were Al Qaeda operatives, but there have been US citizens who were/are Al Qaeda operatives. This is just another example of the media playing on the ignorance of and stereotypes held by the general American population so they can make some money.If I were a terrorist and wanted to bomb a US port, I'd put explosives on a ship leaving a port in a different part of the country which has little to no security, and detonate it when it gets here. It doesn't take much rocket science to come up with that either...Just a total non-issue being blown out of proportions so people will watch the news to see what the latest update on it is.WOW ! UAE has money that's a first. Come on, so you also knew that 911 was funded bu UAE based companies? I hate to sound like I dislike that country, I don't. But I'd hate to see what can happen in their hands, it should be owned and operated by US based companies, don't you think? Oh here's a fact for you, 'cause I happened to work on there along time ago' and the fact that my brother still export and import a lot of goods in and out of the country, but a/w back sometime ago, Port of Miami only checked 1 out of 10 containers.Now, even my brother tells me how incredibly insecure the ports are, so some people are right and some are wrong, but IMO I don't think that this is a smart move, and even now so if any terrorist would like to bring some of their stuff in, they would have all the access that they want. And If this an act of just two companies why is it then that the congress and the president are in on this? if it was only a company buying out another company (I mean that exactly how some people are making it out to be right?) Another thing on the news this morning thru a national poll it showed that 90% of AMERICANS not the MEDIA disagree in such negotiation. And this is to all of you that like to point out alot of crap and say nothing but crap about generalizing, ok back in the desert, some MOFO came up and started talking giberish! now there was a 50/50 that Mofo was an AlQueda member so I gave him the benefit of the doubt searched him and nothing, like I said a lot of you like to BLAH BLAH BLAH but you have to put it into action, kinda like practice what you preach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricF Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 And this is to all of you that like to point out alot of crap and say nothing but crap about generalizing, ok back in the desert, some MOFO came up and started talking giberish! now there was a 50/50 that Mofo was an AlQueda member so I gave him the benefit of the doubt searched him and nothing, like I said a lot of you like to BLAH BLAH BLAH but you have to put it into action, kinda like practice what you preach!I don't know about you, but I'm studying 24/7 with a course load prepping me for a counter-terrorism grad program. Yeah you might say that I plan on putting my ideas into action... Even if I don't end up with a job in that area, I can still get articles published, academia is pretty influential in counter-terrorism these days.And 50/50? On the frequency of container checks... If one out of ten isn't enough, what would you expect? I'm sure they will increase security to make the American people happy after this anyway.I live a couple miles away from Port Everglades and pass through the PE turning basin every time I go out fishing, so I'm certainly not isolated from these port issues. (Yes I know that PE isn't one of the ports in the deal)Here's a link for you from one of the more neutral and educated news sources out there. http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0222/p01s01-usfp.html?s=widep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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