ACBarnett Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 like javadoc said, there are a lot of pros and cons. one con would be more expensive produce. many americans would not perform that kind of labor when they can be paid the same if not more at a fast food restaurant. if they are deported the wages for farm laborers will go up thus causing a higher cost of fruits and vegetables.not to mention house construction costs, resturaunt costs, landscaping costs, janitorial costs. Basically every product or service we use that involves minimum-wage employees will increase in price.I say let them stay and do the jobs none of us will do for less than what we'll do them for. Also develop programs to help hospitals minimize the amount and cost of care given to uninsured ED cases, which is one of top costs of the illegal immigrants.As to job stealing it's not the illegals I'm afraid of (at least for the type of job I'll be looking for) They will undoubtably have been nationalized by the time they complete college, etc and become a threat to MY future employment. The people I worry about are the legal immigrants with college degrees or who are getting theirs here, or worse yet, their compatriots back home. When it comes to losing MEANINGFUL jobs, what this country needs to do is cut down on outsourcing and have anti brain-drain programs to send the college educated immigrants from developing countries back home where they'll be able to dothe most good. In europe they are beginning to do this sort of thing to stop the african brain drain. Part of the problem with africa is that all of the smart worthwhile people who should be leaders intheir own countries gett the hell out as soon as they can. Sending them home could be the beginning of real changes in the 3rd world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 That's ironic! Close the border to Mexico and there goes a ton of good, cheap labor. Plus, there's a reason these people are fleeing their country, right? I'm no bleeding heart liberal, far from it. There's pros and cons to leaving the borders as they are.I like Carlos Mencia's solution. yes there is, they want to come here work for 10-20 years and save up there money and then go back to their country and live like kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMan5952 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 (edited) Build a wall all the way across, Setup a guest worker program to allow people to get citizenship withing 3 years, if no green card then, you get the boot. And of course, EDITED SO YOU DON"T SOUND STUPID. Edited March 31, 2006 by gdizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOLVO S70 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 yes there is, they want to come here work for 10-20 years and save up there money and then go back to their country and live like kings.most of the people that come here, come to stay. and in terms of saving up, their usually sending money every month back home, so that " live like kings" theory is not so true. again more of the hispanic immigrants tend to stick around in the US because they have such a better life here than back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 (edited) the only sociological problem I have with guest workers is the establishment of a permanent underclass. the wealth division between the working and the upper class is already huge and getting worse. this would exacerbate that disparity further and practically be the beginning of a caste system. now I'm a capitalist so that is a paradox that I'm struggling with. businesses can only afford to pay these jobs so much and these people are willing to do them. but what i know for sure is that "guest worker" is really a euphemism for "slave labor". oh they get paid, not a living wage, but paid, so nobody has to take any political flack for it. Looking further to the expansion of jobs that will pay dirt, one might begin to worry about the precedent that will be set here. It could very well be our socio-economic un-doing. Edited March 31, 2006 by kenhoeve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 most of the people that come here, come to stay. and in terms of saving up, their usually sending money every month back home, so that " live like kings" theory is not so true. again more of the hispanic immigrants tend to stick around in the US because they have such a better life here than back home.I'm just speaking from experience. I've worked with TONS of them and ALL of them planned on doing this. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastboy Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I'm just speaking from experience. I've worked with TONS of them and ALL of them planned on doing this. that's what a large protion of our legal immigrants do here... make a fourtune, burden our systems and then f-off back to their countries..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostjunkie Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Everyone keeps talking about them taking jobs from us... well here is another spin on that.I was denied a job at home chepot becuase I don't speak spanish, WTF this is the US of A and we speak english, learn it or get the F--- out!When americans leave for another country, we usually make a effort to learn the native language, these fuckers expect us to cater to them, and their not even citizens, screw that!I am all for people coming here for a better life but go about it the right way, learn the language and become a legal citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOLVO S70 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Everyone keeps talking about them taking jobs from us... well here is another spin on that.I was denied a job at home chepot becuase I don't speak spanish, WTF this is the US of A and we speak english, learn it or get the F--- out!When americans leave for another country, we usually make a effort to learn the native language, these bastards expect us to cater to them, and their not even citizens, screw that!I am all for people coming here for a better life but go about it the right way, learn the language and become a legal citizen.i don't know that they can deny you a job just because you don't speak spanish. might want to look into that. but being that southern cali has a high hispanic population alot of employers would like for you to speak spanish. and in terms of becoming a legal citizen, it's alot easier said than done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 i don't know that they can deny you a job just because you don't speak spanish. might want to look into that. but being that southern cali has a high hispanic population alot of employers would like for you to speak spanish. and in terms of becoming a legal citizen, it's alot easier said than done.Not my problem, my family had to do it when the they came over, they can to. If you don't like it, then good bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOLVO S70 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Not my problem, my family had to do it when the they came over, they can to. If you don't like it, then good bye.your family had to do what? learn to speak spanish? don't be mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 your family had to do what? learn to speak spanish? don't be madHUH? My family came from Ireland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOLVO S70 Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 HUH? My family came from Ireland...HUH? ok. and how long ago was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 HUH? ok. and how long ago was that?don't worry about that, but the point is, when they came over they had to follow the rules for citizenship. If you can't follow the rules, then get out. I have to follow the rules, if I don't, I get locked up. What makes these free loaders so special that they don't have to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOLVO S70 Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 I'm not saying that they don't have to. but, you can't just go and get citizenship overnight. i know people that have applied for citizenship over 10 years ago, and still haven't' gotten a response. so as i mentioned earlier, it's easier said than done. and that's the reason that i asked how long ago. so, your not a citizen? make sure you keep following the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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