So The Middle East Just Exploded....

[merlin390]

so does that mean put a wall around the Middle East, do not allow people in or out and let them kill themselves off? If so I am all for it

I have several friends in the middle east and everyone of them HATE islam. Some are male some are female and all of them say Islam is a generally monkeyed up "religion" and they can not wait to get out of the countries they are in.

Edited July 14, 2006 by merlin390

[flyfishing3]

I think you got it backwards DUMBSHIT!!

They kidnapped 2 soldiers to force israel release the THOUSANDS of Lebanese officials in israeli prisons. In return, israel kills 47 CIVILIANS.

If you’re really that angry at the “uncivilized terrorist countries”, maybe you should go fight for your country coward.

i'm pretty sure he did, or at least trained. there's a pic in the "what you look like" thread him over there training.

mike

[Black95-850T5R]

I have several friends in the middle east and everyone of them HATE islam. Some are male some are female and all of them say Islam is a generally monkeyed up "religion" and they can not wait to get out of the countries they are in.

Your point is? I know Americans here that converted to Isalm and would never go back to the US

i'm pretty sure he did, or at least trained. there's a pic in the "what you look like" thread him over there training.

mike

lol, mandatory training != fighting in a war.

Edited July 14, 2006 by Black95-850T5R

[merlin390]

Your point is? I know Americans here that converted to Isalm and would never go back to the US

PLEASE keep them...

my biggest question is if these radical islamists are so far outside of what the true core of the religion stands for, why don't the rest of the "good" islamic people do something about the radical fringe elements? Islam is suppose to be a religion of peace, compassion and tollerance but the masses allow jihads on other groups just because they do not believe in islam? Butchers will cut off the heads of soldiers and civilians and execute their own countrymen just because they are a difference sect of islam?

Its sad because the radical figures you have to kill them, and their entire family maybe even the whole village just to be done with them once and for all.

Edited July 14, 2006 by merlin390

[flyfishing3]

lol, mandatory training != fighting in a war.

i'm just saying he's no coward and not a coward for his country.

mike

[cRRRRazy]

so does that mean put a wall around the Middle East, do not allow people in or out and let them kill themselves off? If so I am all for it

I have several friends in the middle east and everyone of them HATE islam. Some are male some are female and all of them say Islam is a generally monkeyed up "religion" and they can not wait to get out of the countries they are in.

what an ignorant thing to say. because they so happen to be muslim does that mean they represent islam? hell no!!! and to call them "fundamentalist" is as far from the truth as you can get. do you know that the humanitarian rules of war that the United Nations drafted were adopted from the teachings of Islam? Get educated!

by the same logic if hitler was a christian than all christians are anti semetic?

can you say brain washed by political propoganda??????????

[Black95-850T5R]

i'm just saying he's no coward and not a coward for his country.

mike

lol, mandatory training != fighting in a war.

what an ignorant thing to say. because they so happen to be muslim does that mean they represent islam? hell no!!! and to call them "fundamentalist" is as far from the truth as you can get. do you know that the humanitarian rules of war that the United Nations drafted were adopted from the teachings of Islam? Get educated!

by the same logic if hitler was a christian than all christians are anti semetic?

can you say brain washed by political propoganda??????????

Finally someone is using his head and making sense, thank you sir.

[merlin390]

what an ignorant thing to say. because they so happen to be muslim does that mean they represent islam? hell no!!! and to call them "fundamentalist" is as far from the truth as you can get. do you know that the humanitarian rules of war that the United Nations drafted were adopted from the teachings of Islam? Get educated!

by the same logic if hitler was a christian than all christians are anti semetic?

can you say brain washed by political propoganda??????????

he just said leave the ME alone. So lets build a wall between the geographic areas and be done with it. And for your information I do know the rules of war were taken from Islam and other areas rules of war in islam

I love this part

"The 20th Century Muslim scholar, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi writes,

"...the exegetists and jurists have drawn the principle that those who are non-combatants should not be killed during or after a war."

"'No prisoner should be put to the sword' is a very clear and unequivocal instruction given by the Prophet...'The Prophet has prohibited the killing of anyone who is tied or is in captivity.'"

yeah they have done a good job living up to their own code.

and to your point about if they represent Islam, they do. If someone claims to be a muslim then they represent their religion everyday by they way they conduct themselves. If someone claims to be a christian than they too represent their religion. They way we conduct ourselves represents many things. Even when I was in the Army and wore the uniform I knew I represented something larger than myself and I had to live my life in a manner that reflected well on the instutition I was a part of. You can NOT say you are a part of something and at the same time not represent it.

Edited July 14, 2006 by merlin390

[cRRRRazy]

he just said leave the ME alone. So lets build a wall between the geographic areas and be done with it. And for your information I do know the rules of war were taken from Islam and other areas rules of war in islam

I love this part

"The 20th Century Muslim scholar, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi writes,

"...the exegetists and jurists have drawn the principle that those who are non-combatants should not be killed during or after a war."

"'No prisoner should be put to the sword' is a very clear and unequivocal instruction given by the Prophet...'The Prophet has prohibited the killing of anyone who is tied or is in captivity.'"

yeah they have done a good job living up to their own code.

as well as women and children and the elderly (basically innocent civilians)

my point exactly, its not their code and nor should one assume in any way that they represent the religion. its about politics. period.

look at it as a cult if you will and we all know cults are crazy

[merlin390]

Crazy I agree that not all muslims are "bad" or "extreamist" but the "good" muslims need to stand up and say we are tired of y'alls stuff and your actions giving us a bad name. And if the "good" ones don't do something about the "bad" ones then some country is going to get involved and wind up killing a lot of "good" and "bad" ones....

[cRRRRazy]

he just said leave the ME alone. So lets build a wall between the geographic areas and be done with it. And for your information I do know the rules of war were taken from Islam and other areas rules of war in islam

I love this part

"The 20th Century Muslim scholar, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi writes,

"...the exegetists and jurists have drawn the principle that those who are non-combatants should not be killed during or after a war."

"'No prisoner should be put to the sword' is a very clear and unequivocal instruction given by the Prophet...'The Prophet has prohibited the killing of anyone who is tied or is in captivity.'"

yeah they have done a good job living up to their own code.

and to your point about if they represent Islam, they do. If someone claims to be a muslim then they represent their religion everyday by they way they conduct themselves. If someone claims to be a christian than they too represent their religion. They way we conduct ourselves represents many things. Even when I was in the Army and wore the uniform I knew I represented something larger than myself and I had to live my life in a manner that reflected well on the instutition I was a part of.

the reality is we are all human and that is not the case.

if some phsyco butchers his family because he is mentally ill and then upon prosecution they ask, what is your faith or what religion are you(being born into it or whatever) and he says budhhist, is it safe to say "oh all budhists are violent!" NO

even in the military there are those who get court martialed and dishonorably discharged meaning they did not live up to this representation hence the "dishonorable"

Edited July 14, 2006 by cRRRRazy

[merlin390]

its one thing to say you are or appear to be so "on paper" however the reality is we are all human and that is not the case.

even in the military there are those who get court martialed and dishonorably discharged meaning they did not live up to this representation hence the "dishonorable"

yup I saw a couple of guys get dishonrable discharges, one for rape comes to mind. personally I think he should have been executed.

I have seen people be human and slip up, but to go out and strap 30lbs of HE and 50lbs of ball bearings on you and walk into a market or bus, thats not a mistake that is terrorism at its finest.

Edited July 14, 2006 by merlin390

[Black95-850T5R]

he just said leave the ME alone. So lets build a wall between the geographic areas and be done with it.

I said israel should get out of the ME. Who said anything about walls?

I love this part

"The 20th Century Muslim scholar, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi writes,

"...the exegetists and jurists have drawn the principle that those who are non-combatants should not be killed during or after a war."

"'No prisoner should be put to the sword' is a very clear and unequivocal instruction given by the Prophet...'The Prophet has prohibited the killing of anyone who is tied or is in captivity.'"

yeah they have done a good job living up to their own code.

"And we prescribe for them therein the life for a life, the eye for the eye, the nose for the nose, the ear for the ear, the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds of retaliation. But whosoever forgives it (in the way of charity), it shall be expiation for him. Whosoever judges not by that which God has revealed, such as wrongdoers." (Qur'an 5:45)

[merlin390]

I said israel should get out of the ME. Who said anything about walls?

"And we prescribe for them therein the life for a life, the eye for the eye, the nose for the nose, the ear for the ear, the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds of retaliation. But whosoever forgives it (in the way of charity), it shall be expiation for him. Whosoever judges not by that which God has revealed, such as wrongdoers." (Qur'an 5:45)

I missed the part about Isreal getting out of the ME. even though israelites have been in that area for how many years?

"The earliest known mention of the name 'Israel', probably referring to a group of people rather than to a place, is the Egyptian Merneptah Stele dated to about 1211 BCE. [4] For over 3,000 years, Jews have regarded the Land of Israel as their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised land. The land of Israel holds a special place in Jewish religious obligations, encompassing Judaism's most important sites — including the remains of the First and Second Temples, as well as the rites concerning those temples. [5] Starting around 1200 BCE, a series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for more than a millennium.

Under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, and (briefly) Sassanian rule, Jewish presence in the province dwindled due to mass expulsions. In particular, the failure of the Bar Kochba Revolt against the Roman Empire resulted in the large-scale expulsion of Jews. It was during this time that the Romans gave the name Syria Palaestina to the geographic area, in an attempt to erase Jewish ties to the land. The Mishnah and Jerusalem Talmud, two of Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in the region during this period. The Muslims conquered the land from the Byzantine Empire in 638 CE. The area was ruled by various Muslim states (interrupted by the rule of the Crusaders) before becoming part of the Ottoman Empire in 1517."

some more israel history

its really amazing a country the size of Israel kicked the stuff out of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria in the 1967 Arab-Israeli War

I agree with the eye for an eye thing but sometimes you have to forgive and forget, the son does not need to pay for the sins of the father.

I know we have members of ME decent and of the islamic faith and I dont mean to be critical of them but something needs to be done about the extreamist. It would bode well if "good" muslims took it on theirselves to act and say no more. "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men."

Edited July 14, 2006 by merlin390

[USMC850T]

israel is a bunch of hypocritical cowards who are taking a land that's not theirs. Get the monkey off of the ME and everything will be fine<<fact.

When Israel was attacked repeatedly by several nations, namely the majority of the arab world, and time and time kicks the shit out of them, I think that they are entitled to any land they want from their conqured enemies.

Also if you remember back a little while in recent history, you will recall that Israel did pull out of Gaza in the fall. They packed up and left an area which they had controlled for 38 years. During this time neither side was willing to budge. Palistinians said they were fighting to expell the jews from the area they claimed was "rightfully" theirs. After 38 years of neither side budging, Israel said ok we'll leave, which in my mind is a really big deal. It is this point in the conflict that the Palistinians true colors shine. Instead of ending the conflict, which this disputed territory was the cause of as they claimed, they decide to launch rockets into Israel proper. There have been more than 1000 rockets sent into Israel since they left Gaza. So much for the territorial dispute, it seems as if Palistine is really set on the total elimination of Israel. And I have to say kidnapping 2 Israeli soldiers is just the icing on the cake for this class act we call palistine. I think kidnapping 2 American soldiers is a better idea than taking 2 Israeli soldiers. Their military has been dealing with these twats for years, and is very experienced and they do not fuck around at all. I really hope they can clean house in "palistine". I have no problem seeing their military operate over their after shit like this happens. It is never a good thing when non combatants die, never. As long as the appropriate steps are taken to make sure colateral loss of life is kept to an absolute minimum, that is all we can ask. For this reason undertaking military operations in an urban setting is extremely difficult, especially when the enemy chooses to mask themselves with the civilian population.

OoRah Israel.