JDELUNA Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 You do know that we did find WMD in Iraq. It is just that the media does not want the public to know and that the Bush administration does not want to make a big thing about it. God Bless http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/0...5.07o4imol.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 You do know that we did find WMD in Iraq. It is just that the media does not want the public to know and that the Bush administration does not want to make a big thing about it. God Bless http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/0...5.07o4imol.html The media didn't ignore it and they did report it because I have read about it in the paper. It has been a few years now also. And, just like the story in your link reports, the weapons were from before 1991 and seriously degreed or non useable state. These were the weapons that everyone knew about from before, because these are what were used in the Iran-Iraq war.However, these are not the weapons that Bush said were there. The weapons he was searching for were developed after the Gulf war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDELUNA Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 The media didn't ignore it and they did report it because I have read about it in the paper. It has been a few years now also. And, just like the story in your link reports, the weapons were from before 1991 and seriously degreed or non useable state. These were the weapons that everyone knew about from before, because these are what were used in the Iran-Iraq war.However, these are not the weapons that Bush said were there. The weapons he was searching for were developed after the Gulf war.Even if the WMD that they found are pre-1991 they are still very dangerous and deadly. God Bless .................."Asked just how dangerous the weapons are, Hoekstra said: "One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country, can be very, very deadly." The report said that the purity of the chemical agents -- and thus their potency -- depends on "many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives, and environmental storage conditions." "While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," it said".......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreo931 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 I agree about oil, not the native americans though. Unless you call genocide better than some other cultures got. Do you really think it's possible to let them just "fight it out"? Whose weapons do you think Israel is using...OURS, our money, our tax dollars. We're in this war whether you believe it or not. Is it a holy war? The terrorists think it is, and from the talk on this board a lot of you do too. Anyone who isn't calling for a cease-fire and calls themselves a Christian is a hypocrite. yup. Go ahead and Nuke em, then see how Iran, North Korea, and China react. This is a prime example of horrible foriegn policy. I can't wait for this 4 years to be over.america gets a lot of military technology from israel as they are one of the most technologically advanced countries on the planetHe's talking about the Bush administrations four years.What I am curious about is if you loved America enough to fight in the military, why would you leave because Bush was elected instead of participating in the democracy and have him removed? I too believe that we are mis-guided as a country right now, but certainly wouldn't abandon it. Unless I feel that I cannot effect change by participating in the process, or that this really is what the majority of Americans truly want. Bush will be out of office soon enough and he will be tried for treason along with Cheney and his henchmen, that's my hope anyway. Where's the Bush administration deck of cards?It's about time we stopped sending them weapons, in fact arming any of the rest of the world isn't such a great idea.It's disguised as a holy war, but has more to do with both American and Zionist Imperialism and more so to do with $$$$$$$$$$$$.american zionist imperialism? are you retarded?Hezbollah was born in 1982 to resist the merciless Israeli invasion of Lebanon that killed 17,000 Palestinians and Lebanese. The Lebanese government doesn't have the weapons and army to resist any Israeli invasion, but Hezbollha, sponsered by Syria and Iran, does or at least tries to. Do you think the Lebanese gov would get rid of Hezbollah that easily or at all?ONLY the US and Israel regard Hezbollah as a terrorist orgnization, ohh and Canada too.anyone who does not regard hezbollah as a terrorist organization should be considered a terrorist themselves...go blow something up in qatar. dirka dirka mohammed jihad FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 300+_T5R_855 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 I said American and Zionist, not american zionist. I am retarded for continuing to read this thread and arguing about something I really don't care about. Javadoc had it right, turn the whole region into glass.Put your Theodore Herzl book in your backpack and head on back to beloved Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin390 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Javadoc had it right, turn the whole region into glass.If we turn it into glass can we still get the oil? Yes I know that is a horrible thing to ask but if it's there we might as well use it. The collateral damage would be big and many innocent people would die but would it really bring peace? Sure if they were all dead it would be less terrorists but as long as humans are on this planet there will always be hate, greed, jealousy, etc etc thats just part of the human condition. In the movie "the marix" where agent smith is telling Neo that the human race is a virus ...the longer I live the more I believe that to be true. Someday the virus will eventually kill itself some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 I said American and Zionist, not american zionist. I am retarded for continuing to read this thread and arguing about something I really don't care about. Javadoc had it right, turn the whole region into glass. Yes! Sorry it took you so long to figure this out CJ. These guys will never see any other side but their own. They only believe the propoganda they are fed without ever digging for the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 300+_T5R_855 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Yes! Sorry it took you so long to figure this out CJ. These guys will never see any other side but their own. They only believe the propoganda they are fed without ever digging for the truth.Aight, I'm out. Peace and may your Volvo forever run strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prasamin Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Wow, we are discussing some of these same issues on an Indian forum I frequent. Both sides have presented good points in the debate, but I must side with the right group, the group that sees justification in the Israeli invasion after a terrorist organization crossed a border and kidnapped two soldiers IN UNIFORM, and the side that justifies invasion of Iraq based solely on the fact that Saddam Hussein was a genocidal maniac. Forget WMDs, if he didn't have them, then he would have in the future. That to me, is one less problem for my kids to worry about.I do have to agree on the "consensus" that GWB and his "posse" has brought about the largest failure of foreign policy in the nation's history, and that the foreign battles we fight, though I support them fully, have been mishandled. I have no facts or quotes to support my beliefs, I just call it how I see it.And, as I was scanning through this worldly debate, I read a statement on the terms of: "it's not okay to defend your territory if you're not wearing a uniform?"What a blatently stupid question or statement. Of course it's not okay to do such a malicious evil. When you don't wear a uniform, you are capable of mixing into the civilian population at any given moment, and thus use civilians as human shields. Ask the hundreds of deceased Lebanese about how that feels. Using your own people as human shields is NOT okay. This is why Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Al-Macsa Martyr's Brigade, and other "groups" are called terrorists, and not armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black95-850T5R Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 (edited) anyone who does not regard hezbollah as a terrorist organization should be considered a terrorist themselves...go blow something up in qatar. dirka dirka mohammed jihad FTWWords do not describe how stupid you are. The UN doesn't regard Hezbollah as a terrorist orgnization and by your logic, the UN is a terrorist orgnization too. Wait, who recognized the right for Israel to exist in the first place?? Oh yeah, it was the UN!!!!!!!!!! Your idiocy and ignorance is beyond me, but I can't expect otherwise from someone with neons on his Volvo Wow, we are discussing some of these same issues on an Indian forum I frequent. Both sides have presented good points in the debate, but I must side with the right group, the group that sees justification in the Israeli invasion after a terrorist organization crossed a border and kidnapped two soldiers IN UNIFORM, and the side that justifies invasion of Iraq based solely on the fact that Saddam Hussein was a genocidal maniac. Forget WMDs, if he didn't have them, then he would have in the future. That to me, is one less problem for my kids to worry about.I do have to agree on the "consensus" that GWB and his "posse" has brought about the largest failure of foreign policy in the nation's history, and that the foreign battles we fight, though I support them fully, have been mishandled. I have no facts or quotes to support my beliefs, I just call it how I see it.And, as I was scanning through this worldly debate, I read a statement on the terms of: "it's not okay to defend your territory if you're not wearing a uniform?"What a blatently stupid question or statement. Of course it's not okay to do such a malicious evil. When you don't wear a uniform, you are capable of mixing into the civilian population at any given moment, and thus use civilians as human shields. Ask the hundreds of deceased Lebanese about how that feels. Using your own people as human shields is NOT okay. This is why Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Al-Macsa Martyr's Brigade, and other "groups" are called terrorists, and not armies.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=90...689197790&qI'm out of this thread too.Love, Edited August 8, 2006 by Black95-850T5R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDELUNA Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 (edited) ........................... Wait, who recognized the right for Israel to exist in the first place?? Oh yeah, it was the UN!!!!!!!!!!..........So are you saying that Israel does not have the right to exist ?? Or that the just because the UN recognizes it, that it is not official ?? God Bless :) Edited August 8, 2006 by JDELUNA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 (edited) Words do not describe how stupid you are. The UN doesn't regard Hezbollah as a terrorist orgnization and by your logic, the UN is a terrorist orgnization too. Wait, who recognized the right for Israel to exist in the first place?? Oh yeah, it was the UN!!!!!!!!!! Your idiocy and ignorance is beyond me, but I can't expect otherwise from someone with neons on his Volvo http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=90...689197790&qI'm out of this thread too.Love,Good riddance. You NEVER answered my questions. Even after three tries. So you can come and go as you wish. You have contributed nothing IMO, just like the silent Muslims. And the UN is corrupt and impotent which equals worthless at best. Just name one thing the UN has been effective at militarily. Oh yeah, you don't answer me. Edited August 8, 2006 by RAzOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prasamin Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=90...689197790&qI'm out of this thread too.Love,That interview of George Galloway was posted on the Indian forums, and I didn't watch it until you posted it, Ali. As much as I wanted to stay away from this thread, I just HAD to see the response to my last post. I have to say that Galloway's point of view is intriguing, but he presents himself as a disrespectful, closed-minded fool.Yes, Israel has occupied Lebanese, Palestinian, etc soil for years and years, but they have also recognized both of these places as states. The same has NOT been done in return (not referring to the UN, because honestly, no one listens to the UN, it's just a group put in place to ease the masses).I still call any group disquised in civilian clothing a terrorist organization, whether George and his friends like to hear it or not. These people use innocent civilians as shields, and that makes them evil. Put on a uniform, and go fight. Don't be a coward, using innocent women and children as protection. Then they complain when civilians die. Well, dumbass, it's because you're firing rockets from the Sun and Sand condominiums on Mohammed Road, Unit B. Where do you think return fire will land? In the field 20 miles away that is empty????George Galloway maybe looking 18 years back, but let's face it, that was 18 years ago. It's like me dwelling on the $2 I lost on a bet in kindergarten, but not thinking about the $2 million I might lose sitting here gambling in Vegas. Let's look at the current situation. That current situation is 1: Israeli soldiers were kidnapped while in uniform 2: Israel wants their two soldiers back from Hezbollah, the non-uniformed group of people who kidnapped them 3: At the same time, Hezbollah must disarm, because they do not represent a state by wearing a uniform when they fight. 4: Return the soldiers, disarm Hezbollah, and Israel leaves Lebanon.Why is that so hard to do? A group of terrorists is disarmed, no more civilian casualties because of it, and Israel leaves Lebanon.I still put the blame on Hezbollah and the stupid Lebanese government. If you want Israel out, send your uniformed soldiers in to fight Israel, not a bunch of bandana wearing idiots with homemade tupperware bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 (edited) Galloway offers nothing of worth at all. HIs point of view is wrong in every possible way. He should be held up as the poster-boy for how to think incorrectly about this situation. He ignores the basic footings of the conflict and is obviously an anti-American and anti-Semite. I do not use those words lightly but he is case in point to me. Edited August 9, 2006 by RAzOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prasamin Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Galloway offers nothing of worth at all. HIs point of view is wrong in every possible way. He should be held up as the poster-boy for how to think incorrectly about this situation. He ignores the basic footings of the conflict and is obviously an anti-American and anti-Semite. I do not use those words lightly but he is case in point to me.It is, however, how ALOT of people around the world (particularly the Middle East and Asia) view this conflict. It is sad that they are so blind and caught up in something that happened 20 years ago, but it is definitely interesting to hear one guy put all those peoples' feelings into Cliff's Notes. Eh, what can you say, except that it is just another side of the equation. I know where I stand, and I know that it is the right stance, but it's crazy to see someone as passionate about the subject as I am, except from the wrong perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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