WhiteT5 Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Time to clear some stuff up. When I was installing my Weitec's, I also noticed that the shocks/struts were made by Sachs. This made me curious, so I checked the Sachs part number on the struts/shocks that were already on the car and the Weitec/Sachs ones that were still in the box. Guess what. They're not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtbone Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Time to clear some stuff up. When I was installing my Weitec's, I also noticed that the shocks/struts were made by Sachs. This made me curious, so I checked the Sachs part number on the struts/shocks that were already on the car and the Weitec/Sachs ones that were still in the box. Guess what. They're not the same.thats odd because I am pretty sure mine were the same part number as teh ones that FCP sells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prasamin Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 scam? hardly. whether the shock is or isn't the same is irrelevant. it is a matching shock spring combo. if they didn't sell the spring separately, you wouldn't be screaming scam. just because you can buy them separately doesn't make it a scam. they made a spring rate, and possibly valved a shock, that works really well lowered. there is value and this and they can package it however they want. in fact, there should be a premium if they actually did either change the shock or spring to accommodate one another.no scam, just business my naive cross-ponder.I have to disagree with you. If Weitech ADVERTISES their kit as a rebuilt kit, or a completely custom made kit, then that's what you expect. If you later come to find that they just throw in some OEM Sach's into the kit, whether or not the springs were matched with them, still makes it a scam, IMO.Price here is irrelevant to me. I'm looking at this from a standpoint of false advertisement. If they indeed state that they majufacture their own shocks for the kit, then this is definitely a scam in terms.I do agree, however, that the Eibach/Bilstein combo sucks! <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partsguy Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 If Sachs was building these shocks for them, the stickers would not be on them. They are going to start with new, fresh casings and then install the internals, not take a freshly built shock and take it apart to change the valving. Since they start with a fresh case there are no stickers on them. Most shocks are made by a few companies, so you shop around with who will build them to your specs at the best price, but you won't find two stickers on them. My second guess is since they're coming from Germany, anything aftermarket needs to be TUV approved. Guessing that they don't sell enough to have to pay for each shock/strut part # TUV approval, therefore the need to use something that is approved and available. I'm also thinking they don't make the springs either, if they did I'm sure they would be sure to make mention of that. I don't see anything that says they make any of the components in house. Manufacturers that do, usually make a point of saying they make all or most of the things they sell.by the way, I've worked in the aftermarket industry for many years and find it very odd that they would leave that sticker on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmetz Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 how many of you have ever heard of a scam where the product in question was actually a great product?as it's been mentioned before.... if weitech did the research, put the kit together, packaged it [without attempting to hide where the product originated], sold it and, to my knowledge, has satisified every customer [sans one englishman] ... how is that a scam? personally I don't mind paying a few extra bucks to know something will work properly... that said, if you'd like to think you're saving money and spend extra time searching for the different pieces and paying extra shipping to have them show up at the same place, then go for it... you have my thumbs-up approval!oh hey guys... fyi... macintosh is now using intel processors... scamming motherf***ers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partsguy Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 I think the issue is that they imply that they are offering fully designed and engineered kits and all they are selling are off the shelf compoments that they package as a "kit"."For the complete driving comfort we strongly recommend the use of special WEITEC shock absorber systems. WEITEC spring systems harmonise perfectly with the specially developed WEITEC shock absorber systems." from their web site. Off the shelf parts are not the same as ' specially developed WEITEC shock absorber systems'. I would not be happy about getting standard Sachs items (not that they are bad) when I an expecting a 'specially developed WEITEC shock absorber systems'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmetz Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 I think the issue is that they imply that they are offering fully designed and engineered kits and all they are selling are off the shelf compoments that they package as a "kit"."For the complete driving comfort we strongly recommend the use of special WEITEC shock absorber systems. WEITEC spring systems harmonise perfectly with the specially developed WEITEC shock absorber systems." from their web site. Off the shelf parts are not the same as ' specially developed WEITEC shock absorber systems'. I would not be happy about getting standard Sachs items (not that they are bad) when I an expecting a 'specially developed WEITEC shock absorber systems'.i think the issue here that we're assuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partsguy Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 http://en.weitec.com/start.php?lang=enIf you go read their site, they give you the impression that they design, engineer, and produce the components, again, if they are supplying OFF THE SHELF, STOCK OEM quality parts (again, not that they are bad) when they say they are selling you ' specially developed WEITEC shock absorber systems' is just not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prasamin Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 how many of you have ever heard of a scam where the product in question was actually a great product?as it's been mentioned before.... if weitech did the research, put the kit together, packaged it [without attempting to hide where the product originated], sold it and, to my knowledge, has satisified every customer [sans one englishman] ... how is that a scam? personally I don't mind paying a few extra bucks to know something will work properly... that said, if you'd like to think you're saving money and spend extra time searching for the different pieces and paying extra shipping to have them show up at the same place, then go for it... you have my thumbs-up approval!oh hey guys... fyi... macintosh is now using intel processors... scamming motherf***ers!dude, Apple also advertises that it uses Intel processors, while Weitech never said it uses Sach's components....HUGEMONGOUS difference here....this completely nullifies your post...it is useless to everything that is holy to mankind.On another note, in which your post will again be burned, no one here has had their Weitech kit on from Greg for more than 2 years MAX.....we have yet to really determine longevity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzorb Posted August 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 yeah if, but they don't so you won't. and the eibach theory would be a scam cause I've done it and they suck. and you also haven't run 3 different suspension set ups on an 850 and known exactly how stock, different vendor matches, and weitecs work, would you? some of us here do.not a big if. you can't read. once again, if they designed and manufactured a set of springs that matches well with that particular shock, then it is perfectably reasonable to charge whatever they feel will produce demand.(LOL I can read). If you replace Eibach in my example with Weitec, you have the exact situation I am in. I was simplifying it for you using another manufacturer. Fine if you don't think it is an issue; I do and some other people on this thread agree. So that's cause enough to look into it. End of. Don't be offended if I don't agree with you, we just disagree. I understand what you're saying. Hands up, you're 100% that some people here can tell the difference. But everyone? I'm being cynical to question it sure, but with good reason - I have OEM stickers on my stuff. If these parts are OEM this isn't a kit, it's a bundle. There is a difference. If everyone was like "you so wrong englishman" then OK, but that's hasn't happened (and typing it now doesn't count )http://en.weitec.com/start.php?lang=enIf you go read their site, they give you the impression that they design, engineer, and produce the components, again, if they are supplying OFF THE SHELF, STOCK OEM quality parts (again, not that they are bad) when they say they are selling you ' specially developed WEITEC shock absorber systems' is just not right.Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzorb Posted August 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Time to clear some stuff up. When I was installing my Weitec's, I also noticed that the shocks/struts were made by Sachs. This made me curious, so I checked the Sachs part number on the struts/shocks that were already on the car and the Weitec/Sachs ones that were still in the box. Guess what. They're not the same.They are in my case. They're on that picture, check for yourself. So it's a bit odd, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Before they went on the car we compared the Weitec shocks to the stockers by just compressing them by hand. It was definitely harder to compress the Weitecs and my stockers on had about 80k miles on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtbone Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Before they went on the car we compared the Weitec shocks to the stockers by just compressing them by hand. It was definitely harder to compress the Weitecs and my stockers on had about 80k miles on them.well yeah thats a given no matter what, you were testing it against a used shock.I think you people who are defending Weitec are missing the point that even if the product turns out good, they are falsely advertising their product, misleading their customers as to what they are selling, and in turn scamming us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish Mike Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 sachs or not, i'm pleased with the ridemuch stiffer than stock (which probably means they AREN'T stock, right?)They are new and they are in combo with stiffer springs. The only scam here is if Weitec says it´s a sport shock and it turns out to be a stock spec shock./Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 gotta love it.http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12892 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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