USMC850T Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 For what it's worth my best track run was 14.2 @ 97 w/ 2.2 60ft. My best launches were all hovering around 2.3 or so. I would say it would be next to impossible to have a 1.8 sec 60ft without either an LSD or slicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazzn Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 That is really the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Then we learn a chip doesn't do anything.. Your Supra talk simply has no place on thise forum. You could look at it as the inability to properly tune a Volvo so you go the easy way.Just buy the proven of the shelf Supra bolt on tuning parts and you are done, nothing special, totally not impressed.It's ok you don't understand why it works maybe you never will.Yes waste your money on a chip, I’ll race you after you install it and we'll see who’s faster.Of course it has no merit here, because you say so. An engine is an air pump the same principals apply form one application to another, but you already knew that. Are we ready to add useful information to this tread keyboard warrior?Just that you're giving advice to people without having been there and done that...I just tried to say that no one will find the traction with a 97 mph ET to run 13s. You don't have any real life experience with these cars to back that up... Deafdano and Joseph are probably next in line with 16T cars, having trapped 102 with chip/exhaust/mbc setups. Behind that, I don't think there is anyone trapping 100 or higher.Eric, I have "been there and done that" my volvo has been running with the wastegate line disconnected for the last year with NO PROBLEMS! It doesn't get anymore real then that.I’ll say it again 13's IS possible with a 97mph trap. If you can’t cut the 60 foot it’s not the cars fault but the driver. I'll admit I haven't cut a 1.8 so far, I’ve only been to the track once with bald tires that i was wasting before I purchased my new snows. I know many people on wide variety of cars that cut 1.8's on radials. The people who will ET the best are always autos.102MPH trap on a 3500LBS car is VERY close to 300WHP if not over that and you should know that.On a Dyna pack, my car made 239 whp on 1.03 bar (values read off the boost pressure signal we used off the dyna pack) in 3rd and 242 whp in 4th gear. This same car went to the track and trapped 99.9 MPH. S70 just has a MBC and a drop-in K&N Panel Filter. Dyna packs read 15-20% lower then DynoJets, Manuals make more power then autos and this is all common knowledge. Now you are telling me that for an extra 5 PSI of boost you will not gain 35-50 WHP?For all that time money and energy tuning I don’t see how they paid any dividends over my tuning ability so stop bashing it. You have more MPH simply because you are a 5 spd.As a moderator of another internet forum I must say it’s sad that personal attacks made by other members on me have not been delt with.I request that someone here discredit the infomation I have provided with PROOF and reasons WHY they won't work and where I have led someone astray.As a side note Johann I hardly call this bolt ons. Call me when you have tuned an AEM EMS your self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 As a side note Johann I hardly call this bolt ons. Call me when you have tuned an AEM EMS your self.Let me guess, you are using the AEM provided base map since tuning doesn't make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricF Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 It's ok you don't understand why it works maybe you never will.Yes waste your money on a chip, I’ll race you after you install it and we'll see who’s faster.Of course it has no merit here, because you say so. An engine is an air pump the same principals apply form one application to another, but you already knew that. Are we ready to add useful information to this tread keyboard warrior?Eric, I have "been there and done that" my volvo has been running with the wastegate line disconnected for the last year with NO PROBLEMS! It doesn't get anymore real then that.I’ll say it again 13's IS possible with a 97mph trap. If you can’t cut the 60 foot it’s not the cars fault but the driver. I'll admit I haven't cut a 1.8 so far, I’ve only been to the track once with bald tires that i was wasting before I purchased my new snows. I know many people on wide variety of cars that cut 1.8's on radials. The people who will ET the best are always autos.102MPH trap on a 3500LBS car is VERY close to 300WHP if not over that and you should know that.Dyna packs read 15-20% lower then DynoJets, Manuals make more power then autos and this is all common knowledge. Now you are telling me that for an extra 5 PSI of boost you will not gain 35-50 WHP?For all that time money and energy tuning I don’t see how they paid any dividends over my tuning ability so stop bashing it. You have more MPH simply because you are a 5 spd.As a moderator of another internet forum I must say it’s sad that personal attacks made by other members on me have not been delt with.I request that someone here discredit the infomation I have provided with PROOF and reasons WHY they won't work and where I have led someone astray.As a side note Johann I hardly call this bolt ons. Call me when you have tuned an AEM EMS your self.How much does it cost to run at your track? If you can go there and cut a 1.8 60 foot with your 97 mph trap S70 and run a 13 second 1/4 mile time, I will pay your entry. Put your money where your mouth is... Not everyone here with a 97 mph trap is a lousy driver or has no idea what's going on.For the record, I ran my 855 turbo back in the day with the wastegate line disconnected. Big boost fade and then spike. I had a chip though, so more appropriate base timing and fuel maps.5 psi, specifically the 5 psi jump from 15-20, will not get you much on a 16T, especially with stock intercooler and exhaust. You will be fading to approximately the same boost level both ways, just getting a higher and peakier torque curve when the boost spikes in the midrange. You will NEVER see 35-50 whp from just turning the boost from 15 to 20 psi on an otherwise stock car, again I will give you 5 dollars if you can somehow prove this is possible.We're scoffing at what you say because you're not proving anything, just making bold generalizations. Disprove what? How? I've already pointed out that the collective experience of this board (and what I know of what they have done in Sweden which is far more vast than here) doesn't mesh with what you are suggesting. What more can be done to "disprove" what you're saying? What are you trying to prove exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCviggen Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 It's ok you don't understand why it works maybe you never will.Yes waste your money on a chip, I’ll race you after you install it and we'll see who’s faster.again If you can’t cut the 60 foot it’s not the cars fault but the driver. I know many people on wide variety of cars that cut 1.8's on radials.Sure dude. The only FWD volvos that come close to 1.8 60ft are the 500+ HP Swedes on drag radials and gutted interior. These cars simply do not launch well.102MPH trap on a 3500LBS car is VERY close to 300WHP if not over that and you should know that.Dyna packs read 15-20% lower then DynoJets, Manuals make more power then autos and this is all common knowledge. Now you are telling me that for an extra 5 PSI of boost you will not gain 35-50 WHP?It appears to me your definition of WHP is based on a very optimistic dynojet buddy.And yes he is not going to get nowhere near a 35-50 whp boost from an extra 5 psi jesus. His turbo is still pretty efficient at 15 psi, it most definitely will not be at 20. Even if it was, 50 wheel would be really optimistic.You're really not showcasing too much knowledge here.Call me when you have tuned an AEM EMS your self.He's using a Tec³ EMS in his datsun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazzn Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Let me guess, you are using the AEM provided base map since tuning doesn't make sense?Reading your posts makes me feel mentally challenged. Find me an AEM provided base map for a 1jz-gte. Oh yeah none exist so keep guessing because your knowledge/technical ability shines though when you do.How much does it cost to run at your track? If you can go there and cut a 1.8 60 foot with your 97 mph trap S70 and run a 13 second 1/4 mile time, I will pay your entry. Put your money where your mouth is... Not everyone here with a 97 mph trap is a lousy driver or has no idea what's going on.5 psi, specifically the 5 psi jump from 15-20, will not get you much on a 16T, especially with stock intercooler and exhaust. You will be fading to approximately the same boost level both ways, just getting a higher and peakier torque curve when the boost spikes in the midrange. You will NEVER see 35-50 whp from just turning the boost from 15 to 20 psi on an otherwise stock car, again I will give you 5 dollars if you can somehow prove this is possible.Eric, the truth is you don’t know and nor do I. Never say never, is something you should know by now as there is always someone out there that will prove you wrong. No one said anything about a stock car, 3” exhaust and intake will defiantly be needed.again Sure dude. The only FWD volvos that come close to 1.8 60ft are the 500+ HP Swedes on drag radials and gutted interior. These cars simply do not launch well.It appears to me your definition of WHP is based on a very optimistic dynojet buddy.And yes he is not going to get nowhere near a 35-50 whp boost from an extra 5 psi jesus. His turbo is still pretty efficient at 15 psi, it most definitely will not be at 20. Even if it was, 50 wheel would be really optimistic.You're really not showcasing too much knowledge here.He's using a Tec³ EMS in his datsun.JC – You still don’t get it 60 foot times has nothing to do with having 500 WHP or 300WHP (to an extent). Traction, traction and traction has to do with that. Volvo owners don’t cut good times because they don’t have the proper tools to do so. Automatics, drag suspension, and MT drags will all optimize ¼ times. So saying that 13’s on 97MPH can’t be done is a lie. Bash dynojets all you want, I didn’t create them I merely use them to provide me with factual data results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCviggen Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Bash dynojets all you want, I didn’t create them I merely use them to provide me with inflated data results.Fixed I'm not going to argue any longer about this. You dont have the experience with these cars that others do. A little arrogant to claim a bunch of stuff you cant back up or show us then dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Reading your posts makes me feel mentally challenged. Find me an AEM provided base map for a 1jz-gte. Oh yeah none exist so keep guessing because your knowledge/technical ability shines though when you do. OK Kiddo, better run from your moms computer before she comes home and spanks you. :monkey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHEIII874T5M Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 To go from this: If you can't cut the 60 foot it's not the cars fault but the driver. to this: Volvo owners don’t cut good times because they don’t have the proper tools to do so. Automatics, drag suspension, and MT drags will all optimize ¼ times. Thanks, yet again, for giving me a mid-day laugh. OK Kiddo, better run from your moms computer before she comes home and spanks you. Johann, don't you know that NO ONE has EVER tuned a 1JZ-GTE with AEM EMS before zazzn? I mean, c'mon, Dynojets don't lie. :monkey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazzn Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 To go from this:to this: Thanks, yet again, for giving me a mid-day laugh. Johann, don't you know that NO ONE has EVER tuned a 1JZ-GTE with AEM EMS before zazzn? I mean, c'mon, Dynojets don't lie. Johann is So you are telling me a professional driver form team Titan couldn't cut a 1.8 60 foot on a s70 auto, with 250-260 WHP? Using some decent Z rated tires?You seem to be the standalone authority on EMS's yet your car is Sorry boys but your but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCviggen Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Are you saying launching with an automatic is particularly difficult then? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazzn Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Actually yes they are hard as well.Like anything it takes practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC850T Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 I don't think it's possible on an auto with that much power. Slicks or an LSD, yes, not a plain auto with 260wheel though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSam Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 :lol: this thread saved my evening. The "do it yourself tuners" gone wild... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Everyone say it with me, Volvos poking suck...rofl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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