Boomin850 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Maybe someday people will realize that Jesus wasn't some white guy with a beard...he was just another middle eastern that would prolly be arrested for a bomb scare today...Agnostic right here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Seriously, how hard could it have been during the time of Jesus C. for an extremely charismatic and believable guy to get 12 other dudes to follow him around thinking he was the son of god and then get really popular a few hundred years after he dies.We are but an infinitesimal stain on a vast, uncaring universe. Your thoughts are no more than a set of electrical impulses triggered by chemical reactions. When your bodily functions cease, there will be nothing. Get over it. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert213 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Seriously, how hard could it have been during the time of Jesus C. for an extremely charismatic and believable guy to get 12 other dudes to follow him around thinking he was the son of god and then get really popular a few hundred years after he dies. Suppose you had the privilege of meeting Jesus during that time. You watched Him heal the sick - Matthew 8:14-17. You watched Him give sight to the blind - Matthew 9:27-31 and Matthew 20:29-34. You watched Him bring the dead back to life - Matthew 9:18-26 and John 11:38-43. You watched Him die on the Cross only to speak with Him again 3 days later - (Doubting Thomas) John 20:24-31 and John 21:15-19. Now, step ahead 30 years later, you are standing before the officials of Nero, the emperor of Rome. You are given the choice of pledging your sole allegiance to the Rome Empire or to Jesus. If you believed that Jesus was a fraud and the resurrection of Jesus was a masterfully executed hoax, would you pledge allegiance to Jesus and face certain death? What was Peter's choice?http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5358It is certain that Peter died in Rome and that his martyrdom came during the reign of Emperor Nero, probably in 64. Testimony of his martyrdom is extensive, including Origen, Eusebius of Caesarea, St. Clement I of Rome, St. Ignatius, and St. Irenaeus. According to rich tradition, Peter was crucified on the Vatican Hill upside down because he declared himself unworthy to die in the same manner as the Lord. He was then buried on Vatican Hill, and excavations under St. Peter’s Basilica have unearthed his probable tomb, and his relics are now enshrined under the high altar of St. Peter’s.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_PeterIt is traditionally believed that the Roman authorities sentenced him to death by crucifixion. According to a tradition recorded or perhaps initiated in the apocryphal Acts of Peter, he was crucified head down. Tradition also locates his burial place where the Basilica of Saint Peter was later built, directly beneath the Basilica's high altar. In art, he is often depicted holding the keys to the kingdom of heaven (the sign of his primacy over the Church), a reference to Matthew 16:18.What was Paul's choice?http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=91We gather, however, from the Pastoral Epistles and from tradition that at the end of the two years St. Paul was released from his Roman imprisonment, and then traveled to Spain, later to the East again, and then back to Rome, where he was imprisoned a second time and in the year 67, was beheaded.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_of_TarsusIt is commonly accepted that Paul died as a martyr in Rome and his body was interred with Saint Peter's in ad Catacumbas by the via Appia where it remained until moved by Lucina and Pope Cornelius into the crypts of Lucina.[10] One Gaius, who wrote during the time of Pope Zephyrinus, mentions Paul's tomb as standing on the Via Ostensis, and the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls consistently claimed to be built upon Paul's tomb. This claim was given much support by the recent archaeological discovery of a tomb under the basilica bearing Paul's name, the titles "apostle" and "martyr", and dating to antiquity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 One the back of the $1 and $5 dollar bills in your wallet has the inscription "In God We Trust". Today is September 28th, 2006 in the year of our Lord (Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ was a real person, not some fictional character in some fable . He made some outrageous claims that are written about in the New Testament. Someday, when our life on earth is complete, all of us will meet Him. All I am saying is that it would be a good idea to know a little bit about Him when that time comes.Do you have any other proof of this besides the bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert213 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) Editted while in the process of answering the previous question...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JosephusJosephus (c. A.D. 37 – c. 100), was a 1st century Jewish historian and apologist of priestly and royal ancestry who survived and recorded the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70. His works give an important insight into first-century Judaism.Josephus offers information about individuals, groups, customs and geographical places. His writings provide a significant, extra-biblical account of the post-exilic period of the Maccabees. He makes references to such figures as Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, John the Baptist, James the brother of Jesus, and a highly disputed reference to Jesus. He is an important source for studies of immediate post-Temple Judaism (and, thus, the context of early Christianity).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_J...onium_FlavianumThe following passage appears in the Greek version of Antiquities of the Jews xviii 3.3, in the translation of William Whiston: 3.3 Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.This passage is highly disputed because of its reference as "He (i.e. Jesus) was [the] Christ" and "he appeared to them alive again the third day" -- How can a Jewish historian be so bold to state that Jesus was the Messiah and give a valid account of His Resurrection, thus betraying his own Jewish faith? Although his statements about Jesus being the Messiah and Jesus rising from the dead are in dispute, the fact of Jesus' existence has never been contested.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeutoniusGaius Suetonius Tranquillus (c. 69/75 - after 130), also known as Suetonius, was a prominent Roman historian and biographer.He is mainly remembered as the author of The Twelve Caesars (also known as Lives of the Caesars)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lives_of_the_Twelve_CaesarsSuetonius made a reference in this work to "Chrestus", which may refer to "Christ". During the book on Nero, Suetonius mentions a sect known as the Christians. See Historicity of Jesus.How could there be a sect known as "the Christians", if Jesus Christ never existed?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_JesusThe majority of scholars in the fields of biblical studies and history agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher from Galilee (then part of Iudaea) who was regarded as a healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire, and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was sentenced to death by crucifixion.[1] A small minority has argued that Jesus is merely a mythological figure.[2] Questions relevant to the matter include: to what extent did the authors' motivations shape the texts, what sources were available to them, how soon after the events described did they write, and whether or not these factors lead to inaccuracies such as exaggerations or even inventions.More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_and_...ground_of_JesusThe majority of scholars of history agree that Jesus existed. A small minority still argues that Jesus is merely a mythological figure. To resolve the existence of Jesus in my mind, I look at our own calendar. It is measured by the year A.D. -- Anno_Domini "In the Year of the Lord". I don't know who came up with the whole B.C. and A.D. concept. But, it would sound pretty silly to me if we lived "In the Year of Santa Claus" or "In the Year of the Tooth Fairy" or whatever mythological character you wish to use. The people who initiated the B.C. and A.D. timeline not only believed that Jesus was a real person, but believed that his existence was significate enough to chronicle time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_DominiThe designation is used to number years in the Christian Era, conventionally used with the Julian and Gregorian calendars. More descriptively, years may be also specified as 'Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi' ('In the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ'). 'Anno Domini' dating was first adopted in Western Europe, during the eighth century.The numbering of years per the Christian era is currently dominant in many places around the world, in both commercial and scientific use. For decades, it has been the global standard, recognized by international institutions such as the United Nations and the Universal Postal Union. This is due to the prevalence of Christianity in the Western world, the great influence of the Western world on science, technology and commerce, as well as the fact that the solar Gregorian calendar has, for a long time, been considered to be astronomically correct.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Sergeyevich_MerezhovskyDmitry Sergeyevich Merezhkovsky Дмитрий Сергеевич Мережковский (August 14, 1865, St Petersburg-December 9, 1941, Paris) was one of the earliest and most eminent ideologues of Russian Symbolism.After 1900 he and Zinaida, along with Dmitry Filosofov and Vasily Rozanov, were promoting a new religious consciousness through the group Bogoiskateli, or God-seekers... [e.g.] a group of "spiritual Christians"One of his most recited quotes:It would never enter anyone's head to ask whether Jesus had lived, unless before asking the question, the mind had been darkened by the wish that he had not lived. 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TorqueSteer Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Someday, when our life on earth is complete, all of us will meet Him. All I am saying is that it would be a good idea to know a little bit about Him when that time comes.Sorry man, but when our life on earth is complete, our brains will not be functioning therefore all of our senses and consciousness will cease to exist, and our sense of being will be nonexistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) I'm waiting for you to back up your claims.--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Plan B @ Sep 30 2006, 09:50 AM) ←</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm waiting for you to back up your claims. Edited September 30, 2006 by Plan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 blah blah blah...Hey, its ok, you're obviously a huge fan of this compilation of short stories by different authors. Just try not to take it so seriously. Enjoy your Sunday book club meetings. Just don't take it so seriously that you follow the historic trend to demonize those who's belief system differs from your own. We don't need another set of Inquisitions or Crusades. Remember when they used to kill arabs in the name of God? Remember? oh shit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 ;) Well put sexy Jesus :pizza: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Im athiest so dogma is of no use to me.Who do you pray to when your football team is losing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert213 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) Sorry man, but when our life on earth is complete, our brains will not be functioning therefore all of our senses and consciousness will cease to exist, and our sense of being will be nonexistent.http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...context=contextMatthew 3:1-12 (New International Version)John the Baptist Prepares the Way 1In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea 2and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." 3This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: "A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.' "[a] 11"I baptize you with[footnote b] water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. 12His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire."http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...context=contextMatthew 4:12-18 (New International Version)Jesus Begins to Preach 12When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he returned to Galilee. 13Leaving Nazareth, he went and lived in Capernaum, which was by the lake in the area of Zebulun and Naphtali— 14to fulfill what was said through the prophet Isaiah: 15"Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the way to the sea, along the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles— 16the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned."[a] 17From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...context=contextMatthew 10:1-7 (New International Version)Jesus Sends Out the Twelve 1He called his twelve disciples to him... go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.'http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...context=contextMatthew 6:19-21 (New International Version)Treasures in Heaven 19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Edited September 30, 2006 by robert213 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert213 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Hey, its ok, you're obviously a huge fan of this compilation of short stories by different authors. Just try not to take it so seriously. Enjoy your Sunday book club meetings. Just don't take it so seriously that you follow the historic trend to demonize those who's belief system differs from your own. We don't need another set of Inquisitions or Crusades. Remember when they used to kill arabs in the name of God? Remember? oh stuff...You won't find any Inquistions or Crusades here. I have never attended any seminaries. I am not trying to become another Billy Graham. I am just an old cranky guy, who is now learning that the whole "Jesus is a myth" thing is -- well, a myth. I am just defending my original statement -- nothing more...Jesus Christ was a real person, not some fictional character in some fable. He made some outrageous claims that are written about in the New Testament. Someday, when our life on earth is complete, all of us will meet Him. All I am saying is that it would be a good idea to know a little bit about Him when that time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 You won't find any Inquistions or Crusades here. I have never attended any seminaries. I am not trying to become another Billy Graham. I am just an old cranky guy, who is now learning that the whole "Jesus is a myth" thing is -- well, a myth. I am just defending my original statement -- nothing more...Hey, that's cool. I can respect that. Keep on truckin, big guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 All I know is I'm not expecting on seeing anything after I'm dead and gone. I'm expecting to be dead.Maybe I'll catch up on some sleep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert213 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 (edited) For those who wish to ask, seek, and knock and discover that the New Testament is a bit too difficult to read...http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearc...26468&itm=3Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesusby Lee Strobel# Hardcover ISBN: 0310226465# Paperback ISBN: 0310209307http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearc...52883&itm=2Mere Christianityby C. S. Lewis# Hardcover ISBN: 0060652888# Paperback ISBN: 0060652926http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearc...52890&itm=2Screwtape Lettersby C. S. Lewis# Hardcover ISBN: 0060652896# Paperback ISBN: 0060652934or buy both books in http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearc...06087&itm=2The Complete C.S. Lewis Signature Classicsby C. S. Lewis# Hardcover ISBN: 0060506083# Paperback ISBN: 0061208493Matthew 7:7-8 (New International Version)Ask, Seek, Knock 7. "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. Edited October 4, 2006 by robert213 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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