RAzOR Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Relgious or not, this is an interesting perspective from a great modern thinker:http://www.bigskyastroclub.org/pale_blue_dot.htmDespite my religous beliefs, it makes me feel very small, cold, and alone (of course with all of you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98s70t5 Posted October 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Who do you pray to when your football team is losing?Wtf kind of question is that? Im atheist which means i dont pray and whether or not my football teams wins or loses is up to them. Also, Christianity was based on the fact that Jesus said "The Reign of God is Dawning" not "The Reign of God will Dawn" like everyone else believed. So when Jesus was crucifed and later resurrected is when everyone began to believe because since he was resurrected God is basically saying what Jesus said was true. For all we know his followers could have robbed his grave and made everything up. No where in the Bible do you see anything written by Jesus. Everything written was by his followers in light of his death and resurrection and the writings were based on remembering, reflecting, evaluating, interpretation, and adaptation. Plus everything was writing in koine Greek and not everything translated correctly in to Aramaic which Jesus spoke. I could go on and on but im gonna stop there and let u guys digest. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Wtf kind of question is that? Im atheist which means i dont pray and whether or not my football teams wins or loses is up to them.Maybe thats why the Chargers went down in defeat in the final seconds against the Ravens? My team is 4-0, I guess I'll stick to whats working? Good luck to you and the Chargers. Maybe our teams can meet in the SuperBowl? Too bad your team won't have a prayers chance of winning!!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98s70t5 Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) Maybe thats why the Chargers went down in defeat in the final seconds against the Ravens? My team is 4-0, I guess I'll stick to whats working? Good luck to you and the Chargers. Maybe our teams can meet in the SuperBowl? Too bad your team won't have a prayers chance of winning!!! I think Your the biggest sillybillyboo ever. Edited October 5, 2006 by Jena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) I think Your the biggest sillybillyboo ever.Your the one who walked right into it Gump! :lol: Edited October 5, 2006 by Jena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98s70t5 Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Your the one who walked right into it Gump! How did i walk right into it. I simply stated an opinion about one of my classes at school. Your posts have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickster151 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) Starfish-I think the Ravens success has alot more to due with their proven talent on the field than prayer.If god is so powerful, why were the Colorado Rockies tied for last this year in the NL west?http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060619/zirinGod is'nt gonna stop opposing teams from hitting home runs at Coors Field. Edited October 5, 2006 by Brickster151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 How did i walk right into it. I simply stated an opinion about one of my classes at school. Your posts have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.It was a joke! Relax... Don't take everything so seriously. God is our creator, not a bookie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 It was a joke! Relax... Don't take everything so seriously. God is our creator, not a bookie!Where is your proof to that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 (edited) B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Plan B @ Oct 7 2006, 09:54 AM) ←</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Where is your proof to that statement? Edited October 7, 2006 by starfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Plan B @ Oct 7 2006, 09:54 AM) ←</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Declaration of Independence includes the words "God" and "Creator". Only a Christian would include the words "God" and "Creator"! Therefore this is a Christian Nation. A Christian Nation couldn't last over 200 years without God's help. Therefore, God exists.See, that's what I don't understand. Why would a christian nation create a separation of church and state if it was so intent on staying a christian country? That that it even follows its own rules.Also could it be possible that just the belief in something higher just helped people survive? The people of America were fighting to separate from England and they fought for their freedom. They didn't fight in the name of God. They did what they had to to survive without God's help.I think that out government is controlling the people and we're not exactly free. All of our presidents have been white christian men and I doubt that's by chance. I also don't believe in conspiracy but this is questionable. I think that religion plays too big of a role in our government and is affecting those who are not christian in negative ways.I'm not trying to start anything, just simply stating my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caliwagon Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 So when Jesus was crucifed and later resurrected is when everyone began to believe because since he was resurrected God is basically saying what Jesus said was true. For all we know his followers could have robbed his grave and made everything up.Very interesting discussion, but I seriously doubt we're going to record any conversions on VS Furthermore, although I follow Jesus Christ myself, believe that he is a real person, and believe the he is God (why not just be open about what I believe, right?), I do not accept Starfish's defense of the existence of God (I'm not sure how many of those were supposed to be serious reasons). No one can prove that God exists--no one ever proved it to me. And, like in 98s70t5's quote right there, I think the crux of the issue is the resurrection of Christ--true or faked. No one can prove that either.I do, however, think there are some important things for all to consider...Cause and effect. EVERYTHING we know (including our volvos ) has a cause. I.e. everything came from something. So go back and back and back and back--what was the first cause? Was there a first cause? Philosophers almost universally agree that there is no such thing as a real infinite set. This means that time cannot have gone infinitely into the past. If it did, how did we get to today? Isn't it impossible to traverse infinity and arrive at a point in time? Yes, it is impossible. If you start in infinity past and try to move forward in time to get to today, you will not. You can never get any closer, right? This has always been fascinating to me. So where did this all start? What was the uncaused cause? Aristotle called that the "unmoved mover" we usually know it today as people's concept of God. I don't know what Atheists do at this point, but Agnostics take that a say whoever this god was, he was apparently incapable of communicating very much about himself. In other words, they take the strange route of blaming their agnosticism on God himself.Anyway, enough philosophy of dogma for one post. I'd be interested to know what you guys think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert213 Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 (edited) See, that's what I don't understand. Why would a christian nation create a separation of church and state if it was so intent on staying a christian country? That that it even follows its own rules. Please excuse the source that I used to support my answer. I don't have time to "google" more respected link...http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/cu.../religions.htmlHistory of dogma in BritainBritain used to be a Catholic Country until Henry the VIII broke away from the Catholic Church after it refused to agree to him divorcing his first wife. Henry made himself head of the Church of England. When Elizabeth I became Queen in 1558, Britain became a Protestant country by law with the Sovereign declared Head of the Church of England.http://www.britainexpress.com/History/monarchs.htmIn other words, the official endorsed denomination in the Christian faith of Britain used to be the Roman Catholic church. This was dictated by the King (or Queen). This was true until 1509, when Henry the VIII established the Church of England. So out with the Roman Catholic church and in with one of the dominations of the Protestant Church. So, the folks who wrote our constitution made provisions to insure that our government could never mandate that one denomination in the Christian faith (whether Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, etc) could receive preferential treatment from the federal government over the others. In other words, when a Roman Catholic president is elected, he can't mandate that the citizens of the U.S. follow Roman Catholic rituals and then again, when a Church of England president is elected, he can't mandate that the citizens of the U.S. follow Church of England traditions, and so on and so forth...Let me state this another way...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_faithThese countries have official state endorsed religions, whereas, the United States does not.The following states recognize some form of Christianity as their official dogma (by denomination):Roman CatholicJurisdictions which recognize Catholicism as their official dogma: * Argentina * Bolivia * Costa Rica * El Salvador * Haiti * Liechtenstein * Malta * Monaco * Some cantons of Switzerland * Vatican CityEastern OrthodoxJurisdictions which recognize one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches as their official dogma: * Cyprus * Greece * FinlandLutheranJurisdictions which recognize a Lutheran church as their official dogma: * Denmark * Iceland * Norway * FinlandAnglicanJurisdictions that recognise an Anglican church as their state dogma: * England - Church of England Edited October 7, 2006 by robert213 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDELUNA Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 As you all know I believe in God and his son Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. People have often asked me prove to me that God exists. I tell them look at yourself and look around you. All this is can not be by chance, even Einstein said that all of this could NOT be by chance. Then some ask why is it that science can not prove that there is a God. My answer to this is that God the creator of everything is way beyond science or physics that we know or understand. If there was a way to scientifically prove that God exists then everyone would be believing in him and his son Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, but God gives us FREE WILL he wants us to believe what we want and yet have FAITH in what we do not understand, see, or explain. God Bless :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Can't wait to go see Jesus Camp today :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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