Che'_Moderator Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 A few people are saying "wait to hear both sides of the story" , but the fact that the car was beat on by mag editors without his permission is enough for me. If I was having my truck worked on at a shop, and they threw the keys to someone to beat the hell out of it. There is NO way I would pay for it. They would eat the parts/labor and I would be seeing them in court. Put yourself in his shoes. Its just not right for this to have happened. I feel for you Matt, hope everything works out. Do you know for sure he did not giver permissions for the magazines to drive it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelostartof Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Do you know for sure he did not giver permissions for the magazines to drive it?ThanksMatt Powerswww.powersstuntworx.comI also never signed any kind of release for the mags to drive my carpost #48 http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php?s...st&p=885655 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 post #48 http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php?s...st&p=885655That still doesn't mean we know for sure. His word against Evolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted January 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 post #48 http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php?s...st&p=885655My man hammer is 14". Guess its true now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 That still doesn't mean we know for sure. His word against Evolves.only a signed doccument would hold up so thats evolves fault if they didn't get it in writingbut like it was said i doubt we'll hear a side of their story till its settled, hopefully it can be done outside of court but who knows at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narxs70 Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 wow, i would think, as as one of the foremost tuners for Volvos, you would want to fix this issue quickly and without any bad press. But on the other hand, i would also want the folks on VS to know our side of the story (beacuse VS is the know all/end all for Volvo performance). They could at least be trying to contact Matt and say that they are looking into options for him. Not just take his $16k and say "See You, man. Good luck with it." I wonder how many customers they have that drop that kind of money with them on a regular basis?Good luck, Matt. keep us posted.Matt - sign up buddy. Membership is free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogatu'r Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Evolve car just featured in another car mag. I think is the February edition of.. crap...., I forgot. a/w it claims to have 430 hp, and suppper dupper fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.S60R Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Hi, Matt Powers. Have you consider taking the car to someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomin850 Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Hi, Matt Powers. Have you consider taking the car to someone else?Did you read any of this???Re: GOOD NEWS!! Atspeed is fixing my car!! (Sue Esponte) (racerx88) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishey Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) I have no doubts the sleeves cracked from high cylinder temp not because of power.-Fishey (Sorry for bringing a post back from the dead)Power CrackingAlso, notice in the evolve car picture that the cracks are only found between the cylinders (hottest point) not at the weakest point of the block (being the sides away from the Siamesed cylinders). Then you can also see that the tops of the sleeves the metal looks as if it got very hot. I would really like to see a picture of the head and the valves removed. I would have to say the failure from what I can see is caused by improper tuning causeing to much heat! Edited February 6, 2007 by Fishey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I have no doubts the sleeves cracked from high cylinder temp not because of power.-Fishey (Sorry for bringing a post back from the dead)Nah. Gonna have to disagree. Was probably some ping in there wish is heat related but no matter how cool you keep this block it will crack at the tops from either high RPM or high HP. Seen it happen too many times. A few times on vehicles with pretty hard core after market upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra_runner Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Nah. Gonna have to disagree. Was probably some ping in there wish is heat related but no matter how cool you keep this block it will crack at the tops from either high RPM or high HP. Seen it happen too many times. A few times on vehicles with pretty hard core after market upgrades. Oh snap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 I'm part of the "wait-and-see" group but one thing bothers me- Why didn't/won't Evolve give him the car they had promised him? It seems that a deal like that would be clear enough to both sides.I just don't feel I am getting the whole story simply because Evolve is a big, reputable outfit (to the extent I've known them which is not substantial). Their behaviour here is inconsistent with that repute. This issue has nothing but perilous downside for them.I strongly suspect there exists a compelling reason that Evolve won't simply sink the relatively moderate amount money in to complete the deal. A reason we aren't privy too.Sure the car is nice, buit its not outrageously nice. It's not a horrific amount of money, especially with the loads of bad PR that could come from this.Out of curiosity, I will be watching and waiting, but until then I'm not going waste another second of my time analyzing the info I've been given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towerymt Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Power CrackingAlso, notice in the evolve car picture that the cracks are only found between the cylinders (hottest point) not at the weakest point of the block (being the sides away from the Siamesed cylinders). Then you can also see that the tops of the sleeves the metal looks as if it got very hot. I would really like to see a picture of the head and the valves removed. I would have to say the failure from what I can see is caused by improper tuning causeing to much heat!I'd agree, only because the ones I've seen like the Evolve car were over heated. The temp doesn't even have to be of the piston melting level to kill the block.I'd expect to see failure at the thrust side of the cylinders if it were just too much power. Anyone melt a piston in one of these aluminum blocks? Or break a ring land from detonation? Does the block EVER survive that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I'd agree, only because the ones I've seen like the Evolve car were over heated. The temp doesn't even have to be of the piston melting level to kill the block.I'd expect to see failure at the thrust side of the cylinders if it were just too much power. Anyone melt a piston in one of these aluminum blocks? Or break a ring land from detonation? Does the block EVER survive that?Talked to several people state side and over seas who have tested several blocks to destruction. Apparently a harmonics issue comes into play at very high RPM. Sounds kind of like an odd problem for anything designed by "professionals" but several unrelated companies haver relayed the same approximate info. IN all their photos the blocks had failed in about the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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